Level 70 Starting Points

[Dsawemd]

Will edit this OP as they are decided.

edit: So instead of the 70 skill direction below, please begin thinking about what each class's ULTIMATE would be. Kainzo says 15 minute cooldowns. DreadKnight's would be Harmtouch. GO!

This thread is designed to be a starting point for the Level 70 update and as such some mechanics in this thread might be New Skills. Each idea here will be presented to the community on Suggestions after I have you all check to make sure I'm not fucking up too hard. You will notice that the majority of these ideas are not Direct Damage skills, but hopefully they all feel impactful.
@Balance Team @Kainzo
WARRIOR Path

• Berserker - Beserker's can wield shields, but instead of using them to mitigate damage the Beserker uses them to smash people and briefly stun them. Each target gets stunned on hit for 0.5 seconds, but a target cannot be stunned more than once every 30 seconds.
• Paladin - Judgement - Deals damage based on the Target's Wisdom. This would be a strong mechanic to use against certain classes.
• Dreadknight - SoulFeast - The Target's soul is eaten for 5 seconds. At the end of the 5 seconds, 80% magic damage taken by a target (all disease damage?) is returned to the Dreadknight as health. This would be used with Dreadknight's bursty playstyle to increase how greatly they can swing a fight in a short time.
• Dragoon - Wait and see, current class is being balanced and I can't think of one yet.

ROGUE Path

• Ninja - Toggle Smoke that eats Stamina, Kainzo said it was a goal of his, and it seems possible and appropriate for the 70 skillset.
• Ranger - /summon Dog, and Pet Attacks. Really doubting this one will be possible for this update.
• Runeblade - At level 70, Runeblades can add 4 Runes to their Two-Handed swords instead of just 3. This increases their burst if they are prepared for a fight, but if they are not prepared this is not a large change. Possibly make this a lower level skill, move RuneWord to 70.
• Bard - Captivating Melody: A medium to large range Reckoning, used to keep a target in your group's range. Would pull all enemies in a radius around the Bard back a few blocks just like Reckoning.

CASTER Path

• Pyromancer - FireAura: The pyromancer sets all non-Partied members (and themselves?) on fire. Toggle-able, costs mana per tick. Similar mechanic to DreadAura.
• Wizard - The class is being balanced right now. I can't think of one. However, I feel that Blizzard or ArcaneBlast are great MAX (70) level skills, and that the Class could gain a low damage or a utility skill in the middle of its skill set.
• Necromancer - /skill SummonMinion Summons a Zombie, or a Skele, or a PigZombie, or a Blaze. Pet combat. I doubt it will be in for this update.
• Beguiler - New type of CC, called Banish. Gives the Target Invuln and stuns them for a lengthy duration (3-5 seconds).

HEALER Path

• Cleric - Holy Beacon: The cleric turns themselves into a Beacon, and begins radiating buffs to their Party only. The cleric can still cast skills but cannot move until the effect is toggled off.
• Druid - Earthen Shell: The druid creates a dirt dome around their target for a short duration. Can be used to separate enemies or to trap them, or to separate allies and heal them.
• Bloodmage - The only one I feel confident suggesting is an AoE Hunger affect, which would function like ThickenBlood but in a big AoE. Need help from people who know the class better.
• Disciple - Need help from people who know the class better.
• Shaman - NEEDS FIX FIRST, totems are still on a high cooldown. Water Walking skill?

 

[Egorh]

I am liking most of them but there are a few that need more work.

Bard-I'm not a fan of giving bard reckoning. It already has sticking potential and helps your allies also catch up. I personally don't have a good idea for a new bard skill.

Pyromancer-Fire can be very annoying, and do heavy damage. I think instead of a toggle we could give it three pulses and throw it on a decent cooldown.

Cleric-I like the idea but a cleric needs to be able to turn to target their heals (a good chunk of their heals). When you throw the 'placement' effect onto the cleric it is close to stunning them. For example, Seikuken and Whirlwind both pretty much act like stuns where you can still attack. Although they are not suppose to be this way the slowness on them causes major rubber banding (Slowness IV I believe), you won't be able to turn.

Disciple-The idea that keeps coming back to me is the passive on-hit ability that generates stacks, and those stacks give you stats.


Right now I also have my mind on the upcoming classes that we have yet to touch on. The good thing is about these upcoming classes we already have old classes that we can rework-meaning we already have a definite role and won't have to use up precious time trying to figure out what class best fits.

The next class that is being planned in Samurai-an old class making a return. So why not stick to this 'theme' and bring back Geomancer for the 5th caster spec, and Beastmaster for the 5th rogue spec (or thief). These classes were fun in their day and would save us time trying to figure out a theme/role for a class. I might make a larger-more organized thread about the upcoming three classes later tonight.

 

[LightningCape]

With this push for new content I will say that I think a change in some mechanics and new skills for all classes would be amazing, but we gotta take it in baby steps sadly.

That being said I don't think we can start talking about changes until it's confirmed we'll being doing that.

Things I would, personally, love to see on the server:
-More block skills ex) Earthwall
-More Passives
-Summons for necromancer and other classes (With Mythicmobs this could be very fun)

• Note
  • Personally I don't feel we NEED a pet system for this as Delf said it was holding him back last map from making skills like these. As long as mobs cant be used to kill people at spawn (whether it be with a plugin or just illegal) I say it's doable. Summoning is always very fun imo.

-More skills in general
Thoughts? @Kainzo

 

[Kainzo]

Well - here's what is easily done with coding changes - I myself have the ability to copy/paste code and change variables quite easily - so this is what can be "easily" done with no outside resources/extra help.

• Damage type changes (Fire -> Dark)
• Firework/Effects Changes (different looks/etc)
• Projectile types (Snowball -> Skull)
• Changing skill names / other descriptions
• Changing attributes information within a skill to use a different attribute
• Changing tool requirements/other weps

What can't be easily done without code rewrites or new code

• New types of skills that aren't like any skill seen (ie creation of Totems)
• Adding combat-pets
• Heavy math calculations (Tempest/etc)

I think ti's a good idea to add more skills or even just create more powerful skills of existing skills (Bolt -> Superbolt) .... We're also able to spread the skill-levels out a bit more with a level 70 update.

We need to focus on giving each combat class with;
Ultra skill - 10 or 15 min cd
Power skill - 60s cd
Medium Skill - 30s cd
Basic skill - 10s cd

Or something along the lines so that we can have a stable base and start balancing from there.

I'm also actively looking for a dev to create combat pets for us.

 

[0xNaomi]

Well - here's what is easily done with coding changes - I myself have the ability to copy/paste code and change variables quite easily - so this is what can be "easily" done with no outside resources/extra help.

• Damage type changes (Fire -> Dark)
• Firework/Effects Changes (different looks/etc)
• Projectile types (Snowball -> Skull)
• Changing skill names / other descriptions
• Changing attributes information within a skill to use a different attribute
• Changing tool requirements/other weps

What can't be easily done without code rewrites or new code

• New types of skills that aren't like any skill seen (ie creation of Totems)
• Adding combat-pets
• Heavy math calculations (Tempest/etc)

I think ti's a good idea to add more skills or even just create more powerful skills of existing skills (Bolt -> Superbolt) .... We're also able to spread the skill-levels out a bit more with a level 70 update.

We need to focus on giving each combat class with;
Ultra skill - 10 or 15 min cd
Power skill - 60s cd
Medium Skill - 30s cd
Basic skill - 10s cd

Or something along the lines so that we can have a stable base and start balancing from there.

If you want ults I propose making ChainLightning insane and giving it an equal cooldown. Hit everyone in a teamfight for massive damage, but long cd.

 

[Dsawemd]

Bumping with an Ult (15min cd) Idea.

Dragoon Ultimate - Dragoon and their Target within 3 blocks BOTH Superjump straight up (and are tethered throughout the jump?)
Classes without safefall die, but any class will have to deal with a goon in their face the whole way up and down.

edit: Fine the target gets safefall and a huge chunk of skill damage hits them as they land.

 

[Egorh]

Bumping with an Ult (15min cd) Idea.

Dragoon Ultimate - Dragoon and their Target within 3 blocks BOTH Superjump straight up (and are tethered throughout the jump?)
Classes without safefall die, but any class will have to deal with a goon in their face the whole way up and down.

A 1 hit in fall damage is not very fair. Big knockups were removed from Disciple because it was too hard to balance. I like the idea but I think the targeted person should receive safefall.

 

[Kainzo]

Bumping with an Ult (15min cd) Idea.

Dragoon Ultimate - Dragoon and their Target within 3 blocks BOTH Superjump straight up (and are tethered throughout the jump?)
Classes without safefall die, but any class will have to deal with a goon in their face the whole way up and down.

edit: Fine the target gets safefall and a huge chunk of skill damage hits them as they land.

We aren't wanting to add in another skill that flings users far into the air.

 

[0xNaomi]

We aren't wanting to add in another skill that flings users far into the air.

Just have to ask, is "far" SuperJump or is "far" anything, including Jump?

 

[Delfofthebla]

Just want to drop some 2 cents on the Pyro ult referenced in the main post.

Fire ticks were removed from the Pyromancer class almost entirely in the previous rework. This was done because of how bad they interact with the Pyromancer fighting style, and how annoying it is to players on the receiving end.

We all remember Blaze / Inferno from Bastion. You set everyone around you on fire. Pure and simple. This was a really annoying skill for players to fight against. This is because fire is very disorientating, and does additional things such as hinder movement in addition to the damage it deals. Pyromancers were also very fond of abusing this skill, by kiting in circles while spamming it whenever possible. This drew the class away from it's melee focused nature, but it also was very hard to counter in 1v1 scenario's. Oddly enough, if you had a Pyro actually sticking to his melee based class design, you would find that it was also annoying for the you as well (or any allies with him), due to the vanilla mechanics of fire ticks triggering the invulnerability timer on the receiver.

This invulnerability timer is only an issue for vanilla based damage, but it was definitely noticeable. Now it's true that the current Pyromancer is less dependent on melee as he used to be, but it is still a portion of his damage. It will be lowered by adding a Blaze-like skill back to his skillset.

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In the end, do what you gotta do, but I'm just trying to drop a friendly reminder to a previous issue.