Final Attribute Stats vs Base Attributes

[Jrr_]

@Kainzo Take the 5 points out of charisma and put it into wisdom for disciple. Disciple doesnt need the charisma at all.

 

[MajDeath]

Bloodmage Build:
0 str, 17 cons, 19 end, 0 agi, 30 int, 30 wis, 0 char

Yeah! Someone knows what to do.. but that endurance like you said, make it go away ):

 

[MrFly007]

Please god change the dragoon build

 

[Egorh]

Kainzo has said that the numbers are not final but I do hope that he changes it to cater to each class' specific needs

 

[xMJay]

as you can see paladin needs everything. the mana pool will gimp paladin. I can imagine other classes will now have more mana problems. cough DK, beguiler, every caster

 

[Kainzo]

@Kainzo Take the 5 points out of charisma and put it into wisdom for disciple. Disciple doesnt need the charisma at all.

Read the above posts.

Kainzo has said that the numbers are not final but I do hope that he changes it to cater to each class' specific needs

We can change it back to 100 and deal with the whip lash of items being too powerful later (changing the base again) --- we need more play testing on it.

I dont want attributes to be "zero" even if you feel its a worthless stat - for roleplaying and appearances, it needs to be above "0".
We can't stack attributes over 30, that won't make for balanced and fun gameplay if we have a berserker with 50 str while the next highest has 25...

I'm reading the feedback and input - keep it constructive and awesome

 

[Egorh]

Read the above posts.

We can change it back to 100 and deal with the whip lash of items being too powerful later (changing the base again) --- we need more play testing on it.

I dont want attributes to be "zero" even if you feel its a worthless stat - for roleplaying and appearances, it needs to be above "0".
We can't stack attributes over 30, that won't make for balanced and fun gameplay if we have a berserker with 50 str while the next highest has 25...

I'm reading the feedback and input - keep it constructive and awesome

Personally I'd rather have higher base attributes and lower bonuses on items because then it will be less reliant on who can spend the most time/money on good gear

 

[Kainzo]

Personally I'd rather have higher base attributes and lower bonuses on items because then it will be less reliant on who can spend the most time/money on good gear

That's a fair assumption and it will take time to make a happy balance. It wont be right on the first go, or even the second, however - this is something we can continually adjust until we feel its in the right spot.

The goal is to have something that matches this criteria:
Skill.
Planning.

Not a heavy hand in time / p2w.

 

[Pugglez_]

Personally I'd rather have higher base attributes and lower bonuses on items because then it will be less reliant on who can spend the most time/money on good gear

This^ I think it's much easier to balance with higher base attributes and lower bonus attributes items.

 

[Kainzo]

Here's increasing everything to 100 points.
Updating first post - give me insight before I throw it to Visions.

 

[xMJay]

For paladin I'd prefer cha 5 wis 21 int 14

 

[Ultanian]

You wanted a suggestion?
Been discussing this with @malikdanab and @jazza441

So our Goals when working out the best way to approach this.

• Keep classes balanced - not have one more powerful than other
• Keep pre-selected attributes - we agree allocation was a bad idea
• Keep custom weapons as a neat/powerful addition to attributes
• Have a small/non-existent level severity base it on skill not time/levels

Our Solution -

Set all attribute to 0, and change /stats (hp,magic resist ,mana, mana regen, stamina regan, armor) and skill damage to a realistic value for the maximum attributes of that class. (A standard build as displayed in the inital post) This is the same for the damage on skills and armor weight.

Custom Items will now raise your attributes - and apply the same bonuses they normally would, it's just now they are boosting from 0.

This means that custom items will be the only factor in player/level severity. There will no longer be a growth in attributes as you level up, it's purely on items but not in a way that forces you to rely on them.

Classes are also no longer stunted - there aren't the manna issues that come up from having limited attributes (the preset 80 that currently is on visions).

Realistically this would mean -custom items would only be able to grant 2-5 of a stat (maybe multiple +2's or a rare +10 ect)

For the Base in our suggestion we are looking at the initial post with the non reduced attribute builds.

I like this as leveling a class only grants max HP and MP increases, and new skills. Would definitely help with the large gap between lower levels and maxes.

 

[MalaWolf]

For beguiler can we lower the cha by 8 and raise Int by 6 and Wis by 2 they have Splendor so don't need that high Cha.

For zerker can they lose 6-8 agi and put it into Con?

For druid can they lose 4 Int and put that into wisdom?

Also why do all the casters/healers have high end (apart from disciple/pyro) - stamina regen doesn't mean anything for them.

 

[Irishman81]

Here's increasing everything to 100 points.
Updating first post - give me insight before I throw it to Visions.

Much better, thanks

 

[Kainzo]

For beguiler can we lower the cha by 8 and raise Int by 6 and Wis by 2 they have Splendor so don't need that high Cha.

For zerker can they lose 6-8 agi and put it into Con?

For druid can they lose 4 Int and put that into wisdom?

Also why do all the casters/healers have high end (apart from disciple/pyro) - stamina regen doesn't mean anything for them.

Ill work at putting the end more into the casting parts. It was a residual effect of the previous builds having to wear armor.

 

[malikdanab]

I suggest that a set amount is given to each stat (5?). This could be the base stats as a "human." From there, only put points where they matter.

 

[Egorh]

Here's increasing everything to 100 points.
Updating first post - give me insight before I throw it to Visions.

For Disciple: Bring wisdom down to 20. And invest the points into strength (20 wisdom is all people go up to because thats when you get 1 chakra debuff)

For Ninja: Reverse the agility and endurance (agility is core on Ninja). So the endurance will be 20 and agility 24.

Overall having the stats total 100 looks a lot better in my eyes. At 80: crucial points were put into a class' useless stats but with 100 you put the points into the right areas (and still have a few points in everything)

 

[Xhazed]

Ninja why you soo bad now???

 

[Kainzo]

Ninja why you soo bad now???

Use your words.

 

[Dakinara]

not sure how everyone else likes playing bard, but personally would move a few points out of str to get up to 30 cha