Bible/come to Jesus

[victim130]

You can't.


Sorry but we can't disprove something that has no evidence for its excistence to begin with.

Eh, there is minor evidence that something may have existed. Just like how we think the big bang created Earth. I used to be Atheist at one point. The overwhelming feeling of ignorance bothered me so much it reminded me of my time as a Catholic. I'm not saying people should be something, but I found agnostic to be such a wonderful feeling. I still think, Religion is only as important as you make it.

 

[Fjordsen]

Eh, there is minor evidence that something may have existed. Just like how we think the big bang created Earth. I used to be Atheist at one point. The overwhelming feeling of ignorance bothered me so much it reminded me of my time as a Catholic. I'm not saying people should be something, but I found agnostic to be such a wonderful feeling. I still think, Religion is only as important as you make it.

At the end of the day I'm just going to say this:

Even though the majority of humans claims that something out there created us, a god or several gods, I won't spend my life in that belief as there is no way to know for sure that there actually is a god due to the lack of evidence of his excistence. I'll rather live a life where I follow the laws we humans decide ourselves and live my life in my own way without any restrictions by religion.

 

[WoleverEntun]

You can't.


Sorry but we can't disprove something that has no evidence for its excistence to begin with.

More open mindedness

 

[globjako2]

No, you continually find minor contradicitions and falsely believe that they prove your entire point. Have you actually read a word of the bible? And no, I was not saying your arguments were innapropriate, I was suggesting both of our arguents were innapropriate for the thread.[DOUBLEPOST=1372172155,1372171924][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, I can see acherous pulled the maturity card in the 'funny pictures make me go haha' thread.

I stopped reading at minor contradictions. Any contradiction at all makes it untrue. I'm a fire fighter, but I don't really fight fires. I'm a doctor, but since saving people is up to god, I didn't have to get my degree.

 

[globjako2]

I entirely agree. Both sides are just opinions in the end.

Also, Do you understand the difference between a fact and an opinion Etkenn?

How can the existence of a deity be an opinion? Either yes, or no. There's not enough proof for yes, so until you get some, its gonna be a big fat no. Going back to a different response; I think I've read more of the bible than any religious person in my state. Granted, many youths in New York have access to information so figuring out that religion is BS is actually very easy. Many don't have to read the bible. An average teen of this time who didn't grow up in a religiously strict home is most likely an atheist. My school is 75% atheist. The others are Buddhist and the other few Jane.

I've had countless arguments like this one. The only thing I left the person with is doubt, and that doubt usually grew into agnosticism and eventually atheism. Of course, arguing with rational, open minded people makes it very easy to get your point across. It's the very strict closed mined ones that make it hard for our world to advance.

 

[WoleverEntun]

I stopped reading at minor contradictions. Any contradiction at all makes it untrue. I'm a fire fighter, but I don't really fight fires. I'm a doctor, but since saving people is up to god, I didn't have to get my degree.

Let me say one thing. I do not base my faith (or lack thereof) on a document written by many humans over many years. The fact that parts of it contradict other parts is obvious, but to me has no bearing on my belief in a deity or not. There is no proof for the existence of a God, no, but nor is there any proof against. As an unproven concept, anyone can be free to believe in the existance of it, hypothesize about it, or completely ignore it if they wish. The teachings of Jesus and the Bible are valuable and pertinent lessons about how to live our lives. I could write more, but I don't want to spend that much time arguing this idea. Some people believe some things, some people believe others, and some people believe nothing at all, and they can all believe what they wish as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Bob_de_Blastoise]

For all this, modern and new science point to God (even Steven Hawkins(an atheist) admits this) And please stop all the arguing,it's getting out of hand... Wolv I'm not going to be on for a while so post some scripture to read along out of the Gospel if you would. Thanks

 

[globjako2]

For all this, modern and new science point to God (even Steven Hawkins (an atheist) admits this) And please stop all the arguing,it's getting out of hand... Wolv I'm not going to be on for a while so post some scripture to read along out of the Gospel if you would. Thanks

 

[WoleverEntun]

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind
-Albert Einstein

 

[Weikauno]

That's funny because there's a contradiction in Mr. Hawking's saying, he said the "grand design of the universe". a design must have a designer. For example, can a watch, or any electronic device for that matter, be designed by random happenings? No. Someone has to design it. It doesn't just appear from random matter colliding and such. And think about it. Life is much more complex than anything we have ever designed. So how could life come to exist if there was no creator/designer? The only logical answer as of now is that there was a creator. Also Hawking says, "probably no heaven and no afterlife" notice the probably. He isn't sure.

 

[globjako2]

That's funny because there's a contradiction in Mr. Hawking's saying, he said the "grand design of the universe". a design must have a designer. For example, can a watch, or any electronic device for that matter, be designed by random happenings? No. Someone has to design it. It doesn't just appear from random matter colliding and such. And think about it. Life is much more complex than anything we have ever designed. So how could life come to exist if there was no creator/designer? The only logical answer as of now is that there was a creator. Also Hawking says, "probably no heaven and no afterlife" notice the probably. He isn't sure.

First sentence. It's irony. He's doing it right and you just didn't get it. The probably is to not stir shit up. He's an atheist, and definitely doesn't think theres a close chance of there being a heaven.

 

[Weikauno]

First sentence. It's irony. He's doing it right and you just didn't get it. The probably is to not stir shit up. He's an atheist, and definitely doesn't think theres a close chance of there being a heaven.

explain to me how he's "doing it right" then.

p.s.:I've got a friend who experienced God's hand in work straight up. Their really old car was low on fuel, close to empty, they prayed that the gas would not run out, so they could get home safely, and it didn't. The next few weeks, it ran on the almost empty tank. I don't think a car usually runs on empty for a few weeks(not to mention it was an old rusty car). The car only stopped working because they thought there was something wrong with it and they prayed for it to be fixed, and God fixed it/broke it/restored it to it's former state.

 

[globjako2]

explain to me how he's "doing it right" then.

p.s.:I've got a friend who experienced God's hand in work straight up. Their really old car was low on fuel, close to empty, they prayed that the gas would not run out, so they could get home safely, and it didn't. The next few weeks, it ran on the almost empty tank. I don't think a car usually runs on empty for a few weeks(not to mention it was an old rusty car). The car only stopped working because they thought there was something wrong with it and they prayed for it to be fixed, and God fixed it/broke it/restored it to it's former state.

Irony. Seinfeld, when Kramer goes around on an empty tank for hours upon hours. Broken fuel gauge. Anything logical. LOL THE SUN SHINES MUST BE GOD LOL

 

[Weikauno]

Irony.

then again, trying to argue that there is no creator/designer who put the universe together is like trying to argue that the watch on your wrist had no creator/designer who put it all together. You can argue all day, but the fact is, someone created that watch.

 

[Weikauno]

Irony. Seinfeld, when Kramer goes around on an empty tank for hours upon hours. Broken fuel gauge. Anything logical. LOL THE SUN SHINES MUST BE GOD LOL

really, broken fuel gauge? I don't know of any car that can hold enough gas to run for weeks without having to refuel. And I'm not saying I'm against science, the sun shines because that's what it was designed to do. Religion is science.

 

[KleenX]

explain to me how he's "doing it right" then.

p.s.:I've got a friend who experienced God's hand in work straight up. Their really old car was low on fuel, close to empty, they prayed that the gas would not run out, so they could get home safely, and it didn't. The next few weeks, it ran on the almost empty tank. I don't think a car usually runs on empty for a few weeks(not to mention it was an old rusty car). The car only stopped working because they thought there was something wrong with it and they prayed for it to be fixed, and God fixed it/broke it/restored it to it's former state.

seriously? is god magical or something? Why don't we all just pray for unlimited fuel? Doesn't God love us all? Oh we have to pray to god? I thought God is all knowing doesn't he know when we need fuel? This is the problem when arguing with christians. They act like everything is the act of God and don't use logic. I am not trying to bash you but like glob said this is just ironic.... Its like "I TIED MY SHOES: THANKS GOD!"(like the "Thanks Obama thingy") so dumb...
I was watching PKA and I forgot who called himself whatever the word was but basically they believed that there has to be some sort of higher up, or plan, or people above Humanity, however you do not believe in organized religion because its just an outright lie. And all that magical crap is all horse shit. People try and find ways to prove to themselves that God is real and forget the logic behind scenario. I think that this higher up will be evident to us soon enough but believing in something that we have no proof of except books that have been written a couple of thousand years ago by people who wern't even the savior themselves. I think that the writers of the bible just had some nostalgia and wanted to reminisce of all the good times they had with Jesus. Its like when people fluff up their stories of Zeal and Sanctum.

Edit: Looked the word up. I'd say I would call my self a diest or a Gnostic something or other.

 

[Weikauno]

Irony. Seinfeld, when Kramer goes around on an empty tank for hours upon hours. Broken fuel gauge. Anything logical. LOL THE SUN SHINES MUST BE GOD LOL

alright, lets see if you do have common sense, just saying. alright here's a riddle: If you have a normal cow(four legs and all) and you call the tail a leg, how many legs does the cow have?

 

[Weikauno]

seriously? is god magical or something? Why don't we all just pray for unlimited fuel? Doesn't God love us all? Oh we have to pray to god? I thought God is all knowing doesn't he know when we need fuel? This is the problem when arguing with christians. They act like everything is the act of God and don't use logic. I am not trying to bash you but like glob said this is just ironic.... Its like "I TIED MY SHOES: THANKS GOD!"(like the "Thanks Obama thingy") so dumb...
I was watching PKA and I forgot who called himself whatever the word was but basically they believed that there has to be some sort of higher up, or plan, or people above Humanity, however you do not believe in organized religion because its just an outright lie. And all that magical crap is all horse shit. People try and find ways to prove to themselves that God is real and forget the logic behind scenario. I think that this higher up will be evident to us soon enough but believing in something that we have no proof of except books that have been written a couple of thousand years ago by people who wern't even the savior themselves. I think that the writers of the bible just had some nostalgia and wanted to reminisce of all the good times they had with Jesus. Its like when people fluff up their stories of Zeal and Sanctum.

Edit: Looked the word up. I'd say I would call my self a diest or a Gnostic something or other.

1.)seriously? yes. 2.)is god magical or something? yes. Here's a comparison from a video game perspective: Did Herocraft just appear from random happenings and mutations? I don't think so. there was a creator. Kainzo. so why would there not be a creator of our world? 3.)Why don't we all just pray for unlimited fuel? you can. But if you don't have faith, then it's no use. 4.)Doesn't God love us all? yes. but that doesn't mean He will give us everything we demand from Him. 5.)Oh we have to pray to god? no, you don't have to, but it helps you. 6.)I thought God is all knowing doesn't he know when we need fuel? God made everything how it is for a reason, and God uses these things to test you.

 

[KleenX]

Sorry for a double post but I believe many of the "christians" here are diests aswell, or at least should be. I have read on here that many of you are saying "How could their not be a creator". I agree how could there not be something higher up. The whole creation theory is beyond any technology that we have atm and it will take a lot of research before we can come to a conclusion. I believe in some sort of God, however I think the bible and Christianity have it all wrong. I just think that many people use it because Christianity is a very hopeful religion and many people cling on Hope. Organized religions are very structured as well with their little scriptures and head figures. I don't know how anyone with a little education could believe in some of the stories in the bible. Its all your beliefs, I get it. You can live your life how you wanna live. (Which is not something some Christians say when pastors force Christianity down their children's throats.

 

[globjako2]

Irony. Seinfeld, when Kramer goes around on an empty tank for hours upon hours. Broken fuel gauge. Anything logical. LOL THE SUN SHINES MUST BE G

alright, lets see if you do have common sense, just saying. alright here's a riddle: If you have a normal cow(four legs and all) and you call the tail a leg, how many legs does the cow have?

The horses name was Friday.