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MajorasMask

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Watch this:


Presented in a similar way to how ''Kony 2012'' was presented, just with less bullcrap and information that actually makes sense.

Spread the word! xD
 

bearcat99

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It's a stupid and a pathetic attempt to make the world "good."

The golden rule:
A person who predicts the future is mostly wrong. A person who can explain things in more depth about the future is even more wrong.

People fantasize this all the team, but in reality it doesn't work. You can create as many solutions as you want to each question, but face it; nothing is going to change.

People will continue to have greed, money will in use, and the people who are successful will have power. You can't change it. We are so deep in this hole that there is no way out of this abyss.

"Have technologies build and farm resources"

First of all: WHO is building these technologies? Humans.
Second: If no one has a job, there is no incentive to do ANYTHING. Nothing will be created and eventually, we won't progress nor advance. No one will want to develop something because there will no reward.
Third: Computers running the government? Can the government listen to the people then? Who will program it? Sounds like someone will have a job to do that, which means someone will have more power.

There absolutely no way this will work nor will there be enough people to make it work. Capitalism seems like all big business, but when you look at it, you have the freedom of choice. You CAN become that major corporation guy. You just lack the desire to become one. The tools are all there for you to use. Sure, the government is corrupt and computers sound all lovely, but greed, priority, and succession are all built in humans.

If you want The Venus Project to actually happen, you would need to kill the entire human race, infrastructure, and history. You can dream of this all you want, but it will never happen.
 

MajorasMask

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The golden rule:
A person who predicts the future is mostly wrong. A person who can explain things in more depth about the future is even more wrong.

So we should allow people to just carry on, the way things are, without even the thought of what might happen in the future? Your basically saying that we shouldn't even consider the future at all. Why not just say ''throw all waste into landfill, we don't know what's gonna happen to it, even if we predict or presume, that prediction will probably be wrong''. Obviously we know what's going to happen to the waste; we can predict what is going to happen using past mistakes. Using past mistakes in political systems, economic systems and social systems, we can devise solutions to not make the same mistakes.

People will continue to have greed, money will in use, and the people who are successful will have power. You can't change it. We are so deep in this hole that there is no way out of this abyss.

This isn't a ''everyone jump on board we're gonna change the world'' solution, whereas, let's say tomorrow, we instantly change everything. This solution is one that takes time. First, you eliminate greed, through tackling the sources of this behavior (mentioned in the video, and others). The whole system concerns NO form of money, with an abundance of everything. This means, if people wanted something, they could get it, thus, why would they be greed if one could get whatever they wanted? WHAT people want would depend on the society.

As for the attitude that ''nothing can be done'', that'll get us nowhere. That'll create more problems.

Second: If no one has a job, there is no incentive to do ANYTHING. Nothing will be created and eventually, we won't progress nor advance. No one will want to develop something because there will no reward.
Third: Computers running the government? Can the government listen to the people then? Who will program it? Sounds like someone will have a job to do that, which means someone will have more power.

Did you watch the video? It clearly covered the concept of ''lack of incentive''. The website also covers this issue. As for the government, the website and other videos cover that topic. The whole idea of ''no work leads to lack of incentive'' isn't all true. Work, as we all know, is boring as hell. It corrupts our enthusiasm and allows us to demolish our passions and curiosities. When we stop work, all we want, therefore, is to sit and do nothing practical. Without work much earlier, we would keep this passion.

There absolutely no way this will work nor will there be enough people to make it work. Capitalism seems like all big business, but when you look at it, you have the freedom of choice. You CAN become that major corporation guy. You just lack the desire to become one. The tools are all there for you to use.

This plan is possible. If we remain how we do things today, trying to expand the economy without limits on a finite planet (which isn't going to work, if you need a reason I can give one), then we'll ruin our species. This solution offers a sustainable, long-term and environmentally friendly method to maintain growing populations, meeting our needs and ensuring a balanced world.

Like I said above, this isn't something we can do right this second; we need to first get rid of many problems in the world. Capitalism, as we can all see, hasn't got rid of many problems. Poverty, homelessness, corruption, climate change, war: all these problems are still around. If we continue with capitalism, will they really get fixed? You yourself said the government is corrupt, so why believe that they'll do something to stop it? The VP wishes for us to work together, not waiting on some ''higher up'' organisation (which there would not be if The VP becomes what is planned) to solve everything. The VP also offers freedom, more than ever because there wouldn't be the restrictions of a money-based economy.

Greed, priority, and succession are all built in humans.

If you want The Venus Project to actually happen, you would need to kill the entire human race, infrastructure, and history. You can dream of this all you want, but it will never happen.

So you're telling me that babies develop greed, racist and sexist beliefs, ect, all by themselves? So it is up to them and nobody else? Did you really watch the video? What we consider acceptable is determined by our environment. If we allow greed, ect, to be acceptable in our society, we'll create a lot of problems for ourselves, and already have.

Also; why would we need to kill the entire human race? The transition is possible if enough support is gained. Infrastructure today would be demolished, once most new infrastrucutre is finished and accessable. If you read the website they actually covered this too. As for ''History'', what about it? History won't be forgotten. We shall learn from the past. Sites of great historical importance shall remain, (again, covered on the website).




What The VP has already done is come up with a solution for the majority of the world's problems. Yes, it wishes to strive for a ''good'' world. Why wouldn't you? This attempt isn't pathetic, honestly, what OTHER solutions have we got? To continue with war, selflessness and our desire for things unwanted and pointless? To have those in power dictate to us all the things that should go on? Sure; that'll work. There is enough evidence in the news, the internet and from events in the past which proves, with such outstanding accuracy, that our current way of life is NOT something which will provail in greatness.
 

bearcat99

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I watched the entire video.

It seems all fine and dandy, but when you get older and actually have to work, then you'll understand. The damn website has answers for everything. But it's easy to create an answer. The REAL answer is if it would be feasible to be actually implemented in society. And this would take at least a hundred years to get things started. By that time, all the real supporters who invested time and money are dead and the idea is lost.

He talks about genetics, but he completely evades functions of the body and how they interpret it to the brain. For example, we see red as an alert or something dangerous.. Fire, stop sign, traffic light, a "Denied" stamp, the "Alert" sign on the forums here. This also goes with moods with testosterone levels and other body things. What happens when you get a mood of angry and want to kill something? Doesn't seem like everything and everyone will get along. It's nearly impossible to just get The Islamic world to love America, so how would this work?

The other solutions? I don't know. I don't predict the future because I know I will be wrong. However, Mars One seems like a much more feasible plan than The Venus Project. We don't have to be stuck on planet Earth. There is space and are other planets.

The Venus Project will never exist because it is impossible to transform things that have existed for thousands of years. I personally would hate to live in The Venus Project era because it has no backbone and would lead to tumult.

There can never be a utopian society. Next thing you know, we will be reliving the lives of people in 1984 by George Orwell, The Giver by Lois Lowry, or A Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

However, I wouldn't mind living as a virtual player in The Venus Project. Sounds like a cool virtual world! :D
 

Dazureus

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I'm watching it now, and the guy makes a lot of assumptions about human nature and the order of things. Not passing a lot of judgement yet but it's far-fetched at best.
 

MajorasMask

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It seems all fine and dandy, but when you get older and actually have to work, then you'll understand. The damn website has answers for everything. But it's easy to create an answer. The REAL answer is if it would be feasible to be actually implemented in society. And this would take at least a hundred years to get things started. By that time, all the real supporters who invested time and money are dead and the idea is lost.

It wouldn't take a hundred years. It would if people don't know much about it. However, the runners of the project are spreading the word a lot (as mentioned a ''Motion Picture'' is planned). As for working and being able to be fit into society, that's something I have to agree on. They do plan on testing this project, first, to see if it'll work.

He talks about genetics, but he completely evades functions of the body and how they interpret it to the brain. For example, we see red as an alert or something dangerous.. Fire, stop sign, traffic light, a "Denied" stamp, the "Alert" sign on the forums here. This also goes with moods with testosterone levels and other body things. What happens when you get a mood of angry and want to kill something? Doesn't seem like everything and everyone will get along. It's nearly impossible to just get The Islamic world to love America, so how would this work?

If we were brought up in a world where fire was green, alert signs were green, denied stamps were green, we would expect green to mean danger, yes? We see red as an alert because, in the environment around us, red is the colour used to represent ''danger''. Your comment on the Islamic world and America, it's your attitude of ''won't happen, can't happen, nothing should be done''. Barriers between social groups and families should be destroyed. We don't have to live in a world of seperation. I've seen people do it before, treating everyone with equal respect and regard, having fun and enjoying life being around others with different ethnicity. It can be done.

The other solutions? I don't know. I don't predict the future because I know I will be wrong. However, Mars One seems like a much more feasible plan than The Venus Project. We don't have to be stuck on planet Earth. There is space and are other planets.

''Mars One'', so, planting a base on Mars. Errm, how is that going to help solve issues such as climate change, poverty and depletion of our own resources? Research wise, sure, it can help. However, how is the research going to help us? What forms of resources can it offer? Where will the money come from? Is the idea sustainable? I'd like to see humans on mars, sure, but it isn't very important at the moment. I'd expect (and prefer) to see something like that to happen after a sustainable society is formed.

The Venus Project will never exist because it is impossible to transform things that have existed for thousands of years. I personally would hate to live in The Venus Project era because it has no backbone and would lead to tumult.

There can never be a utopian society. Next thing you know, we will be reliving the lives of people in 1984 by George Orwell, The Giver by Lois Lowry, or A Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

This isn't a ''Utopian'' concept, also covered in the video and website.
 

Dazureus

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This isn't a ''Utopian'' concept, also covered in the video and website.
If it's not utopian, then what is it? Dissolution of national boundaries and the abolition of money, everybody has everything they need, people are wired to work towards the greater good... Even the Apple-aesthetic buildings surrounded by plants and water evoke the idea of utopia.
 

bearcat99

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It is a utopian concept. Not matter how much they hide it, trying to get everyone to love everyone is utopian. There is no way to describe it anyway else.

Also, you talk about funding for Mars One. Doesn't this need to be funded too? There is a donation box on their main page.

And I am talking about the receptors in our eyes. If fire was green and alerts were green, then we would assume green is bad. But that's not how nature made it. Colors can affect the human a lot more than we think. We didn't get to choose what the colors do. It's all nature. We see green as environmental because plants and nature is usually green. We see blue representing water. If you look at pink, it makes you weaker. These things we can't control: just like greed, jealousy, desire for success, and so on.

This is just another version of Karl Marx's utopian idea. (Which I know he answers on the FAQ page).

This is all from me since I don't want this thread to become a flame war. Either way, I respect your opinion and belief. I am sure there are many who agree with you. I'll let other people post their opinions, comments, or randomness.
 

MajorasMask

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If it's not utopian, then what is it? Dissolution of national boundaries and the abolition of money, everybody has everything they need, people are wired to work towards the greater good... Even the Apple-aesthetic buildings surrounded by plants and water evoke the idea of utopia.

I have to admit, the ''Apple-themed'' building plan isn't of my taste. I too hate to see ''futuristic'' ideas presented. It does sound very optimistic! :p But the man is just giving examples, can't hate him for that. As for the ''Utopian'' society, I honestly could say it both ways. Even if it is, what difference does it make? Shouldn't we strive for a utopian world? A world better for everyone?

Also, you talk about funding for Mars One. Doesn't this need to be funded too? There is a donation box on their main page.

Does the funding of Mars One give us anything of use, for everyone, in return?

And I am talking about the receptors in our eyes. If fire was green and alerts were green, then we would assume green is bad. But that's not how nature made it. Colors can affect the human a lot more than we think. We didn't get to choose what the colors do. It's all nature. We see green as environmental because plants and nature is usually green. We see blue representing water. If you look at pink, it makes you weaker. These things we can't control: just like greed, jealousy, desire for success, and so on.

I'm not following you on the whole colour idea. I know that what we feel of colour is ''in nature'', infact the video itself directly says the environment plays a crucial factor to how we do things. Also, since when does pink make you weak? To make a comparison with colour to greed, jealousy and desire is stretching it a bit. But, if it floats your boat; say we eliminate colour from the world. There would be no ''colour'' of danger, ect (although i'm sure patterns and words would be used as a substitute). If we eliminate greed, jealousy, desire, ect, from the world, there would be no greed, jealousy, desire, ect, to be created.

Whether you follow the VP or not; i'm following it on the basis that it wishes to end most of the major world issues not solved by current political and social activites, using methods and systems of social communication. I'm sure you can agree that, even if the ''city'' ideas don't get through, wishing and achieving the end to social issues like war, greed and hatred, environmental issues such as resource depletion and economy issues like debt; is something which would lead to great benefits for our species.

I'd join a faster-approaching system to do this, but at the moment there are few visible (although something like Libertarianism sounds good in terms of ending social issues like war).
 

Angyles

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Without watching it, quick question. Are they planning to abolish religion? Because as long as religion is around, you will not have a "Peace and love" society.
 

Brutalacerate

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Without watching it, quick question. Are they planning to abolish religion? Because as long as religion is around, you will not have a "Peace and love" society.
Exactly. What else would cause our wars? We'd be so lonely....Haha.

On another note:

The Human Race is fucked, period, sorry. There's nothing that we WILL ever do to fix it; dreams....
 

HeX7

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They are basically trying to change human nature here.
I call bullshit, won't work.
We will never progress in the sense of saving our enviroment unless a huge nuclear warhead went off destroying half the world, it won't be until then that we will realize how valuble our wildlife is.
Pretty much this is pointless unless we all do it, which we won't, nothing will happen.

And yeah, we would have to abolish religion, which won't happen, you can't change someones views on life/afterlife or belief.
 

MajorasMask

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They are basically trying to change human nature here.
I call bullshit, won't work.
We will never progress in the sense of saving our enviroment unless a huge nuclear warhead went off destroying half the world, it won't be until then that we will realize how valuble our wildlife is.
Pretty much this is pointless unless we all do it, which we won't, nothing will happen.

And yeah, we would have to abolish religion, which won't happen, you can't change someones views on life/afterlife or belief.

I'm not supporting this project in the sense that I want a 100% transition to the world they have suggested, right this second. I'm supporting it mainly for the effort it has put into ending damage and destruction to the natural environment and modern society. What the video says is fact; the technology is there, why can't we use it? To dismiss this video, the project and it's meaning would be like saying ''It hopes for a better world, but meh, no point now. Even some principals it suggests, total bullshit. No need for any of them. The environment is going to shit, no point in it now.''

Also, progression on making the environment better is possible. People just need to focus on it more, being aware of what they can do. It doesn't require the ''nuclear warhead'' which you so wish upon. We can understand how important the world is through teaching people of it's importance. You need not use violence.


As for the comments on religion; this need not be brought up. However there are some topics about it on the website if you'd like to read them. Also, not going to go all rant-like here, but your comments, on a personal scale, about religion were quite offensive, to say the least. :confused:
 

Angyles

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As for the comments on religion; this need not be brought up. However there are some topics about it on the website if you'd like to read them. Also, not going to go all rant-like here, but your comments, on a personal scale, about religion were quite offensive, to say the least. :confused:

I am sorry if you found it offensive, that was not my intention. I was merely stating that there are numerous times in history where the root of the war was due to religious differences.
 

MajorasMask

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I am sorry if you found it offensive, that was not my intention. I was merely stating that there are numerous times in history where the root of the war was due to religious differences.

I have to agree. But, those ages are behind us. The, ''good'', say, religions, if anything, would agree to this idea. The principals of the project are to eliminate environment damage, ending social failures, greed, hatred, injustice and most of all; war. I'm sure many religions would agree with that. :p For instance, Buddists are against war and Christians wish to defend the Earth's environment. ;) On the level of building mega cities, that's another topic. The main goals, however, i'm sure, would be accepted, not only by those religious, but even some secular.
 

Angyles

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I have to agree. But, those ages are behind us.

I do not agree with this statement as you can see now how religious zealots are still active in this day and age ((As in 2012 lol)). You have fanatics in many religions wanting to destroy each other. Not all of the members of the religion mind you, just those who are fanatical in their thinking.

I just do not think you can make every person agree to this way of thinking.
 
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