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Not this time around. I'm sure the topic will come up again at some point.
I don't have much to say about the Venus Project.
I'll just get out the thread and (as Kain puts it) dance with Jesus on a different bit of the forums.
Brutalacerate
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I agree on the Venus Project. Didn't pay too much attention to it. Haha.Not this time around. I'm sure the topic will come up again at some point.
I don't have much to say about the Venus Project.
leftovers5
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Oh, @MajorasMask, I choose Oblivion. ;D
In both senses of the term, I'd rather live in a world that has a ways to go and develop rather than a world limited to perfection.
In both senses of the term, I'd rather live in a world that has a ways to go and develop rather than a world limited to perfection.
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yup
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Perfection is what we perceive it to be. It is impossible to reach perfection because there will always be something better, because we think there can be something better. This is what some people like this man strive to achieve. I'm assuming he knows there is no way to reach it, he just wants to get as close as he can.
MajorasMask
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The concept of the VP would be to allow development. With the environmental, social and economic issues we see today gone, or at least not as major, we can focus on expanding the quaternary industry (which, if you didn't know, is all about the researching (and wishing to improve) the past three industries). As it is said in the video; without economic restraints in the world, the research can actually be used, if useful. In todays society, that wouldn't be the case. Overall, it would allow faster development, with sophisticated technology being implimented into society, not just what is ''cheap'' today.
Oh my, looking back over the past page!
Good thing I wasn't around, that wouldn't have ended well. Yes yes, I think staying on topic is better! 
Kwong050
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Sorry about my vagueness
. Here we go. So throughout the whole bible, it is said that one may not ever see the messiah again but can still believe in him through his impact on your life.
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I want less government involvement - not more. If I had my way, we would all live in the woods, with no infrastructure carrying shotguns and burying our gold in our back yard in places we cannot remember.
Say no to communism, fascism and socialism - they're all great on paper but once you start actually making money and supporting yourself you realize they are pipe dreams. There is no utopia because you have variables in your equations that are immeasurable beyond reasoning.
Say no to communism, fascism and socialism - they're all great on paper but once you start actually making money and supporting yourself you realize they are pipe dreams. There is no utopia because you have variables in your equations that are immeasurable beyond reasoning.
MajorasMask
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I'd like to see less government involvement too. Maybe living in the woods is a little extreme! xD
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The only way something like that would be achieved is MORE government involvement.
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Spelling mistake, apologies.
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Listen, If u are apart of an organized religion, great for you! Believe as you want. But the debate of the existence of god is not important. Whats important is the following of your religions basic principles.
For example:
In the Christian religion, The bible, rather than it being a literal "thing" (Which people believe, and that is fine), can be used to teach and learn from the ways Jesus Christ acted and such. Both good(water into wine, or most any other story) or bad (When he expels the money changers from the temple in jerusalem and caused a ruckus.)
In the islamic faith (which I am far less versed in, but understand the basics),The 5 pillars are guidelines in which one must live their life. 1. Declaration of faith 2. Prayer 3. Charity/Alms 4. Fasting 5. Pilgrimage, each of which if utilized properly, build character, and make u a good person. (1. dec of faith- "faithfulness" 2. prayer- "devotion" 3. Charity/Alms- "kindness" Etc...etc...)
Judaism; refer to christianity, regarding the bible; more specifically the old testament.
Tl;Dr/Synopsis: We, as part of our human nature, need to understand EVERYTHING. the way we do this is through the use of conceptual understanding. ( I have never seen a real/truly equal sided square; A square is a concept we understand) And because of this, religion was formed as an explanation for our existence. God is a concept to which we attribute our creation to (some of us anyway.) We are stuck with him until someone creates a new explanation that people can grip to.
Repertoire: I don't know everything, nor do I claim to.My opinions on religion are based off of my minimal learning of religion through school, and my confirmation class (The church I belong to is "different"). Regarding human nature/thinking/logic/anythign related to that, I like to think I have a reasonably large pool of knowledge on the subject. I've read numerous books on thought,logic,decision making, all sorts of psychology, sociology and other things. I have also taken courses on many of the subjects.
Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions, I grew up in a house in which my parents were apart of the United Church of Christ (protestant), I was baptized and confirmed. I'm at a point in which I am not sure where I am regarding my beliefs, and am not a "practicing" Christian.
For example:
In the Christian religion, The bible, rather than it being a literal "thing" (Which people believe, and that is fine), can be used to teach and learn from the ways Jesus Christ acted and such. Both good(water into wine, or most any other story) or bad (When he expels the money changers from the temple in jerusalem and caused a ruckus.)
In the islamic faith (which I am far less versed in, but understand the basics),The 5 pillars are guidelines in which one must live their life. 1. Declaration of faith 2. Prayer 3. Charity/Alms 4. Fasting 5. Pilgrimage, each of which if utilized properly, build character, and make u a good person. (1. dec of faith- "faithfulness" 2. prayer- "devotion" 3. Charity/Alms- "kindness" Etc...etc...)
Judaism; refer to christianity, regarding the bible; more specifically the old testament.
Tl;Dr/Synopsis: We, as part of our human nature, need to understand EVERYTHING. the way we do this is through the use of conceptual understanding. ( I have never seen a real/truly equal sided square; A square is a concept we understand) And because of this, religion was formed as an explanation for our existence. God is a concept to which we attribute our creation to (some of us anyway.) We are stuck with him until someone creates a new explanation that people can grip to.
Repertoire: I don't know everything, nor do I claim to.My opinions on religion are based off of my minimal learning of religion through school, and my confirmation class (The church I belong to is "different"). Regarding human nature/thinking/logic/anythign related to that, I like to think I have a reasonably large pool of knowledge on the subject. I've read numerous books on thought,logic,decision making, all sorts of psychology, sociology and other things. I have also taken courses on many of the subjects.
Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions, I grew up in a house in which my parents were apart of the United Church of Christ (protestant), I was baptized and confirmed. I'm at a point in which I am not sure where I am regarding my beliefs, and am not a "practicing" Christian.
MajorasMask
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Malmence, it's been said before, let's not get this discussion into anything to do with religion!
HolyRane
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He wasn't really arguing anything, he was just stating an opinion.
malmenca
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I guess the last point to make regarding the vid itself is that I too believe a lot of "human nature" isn't exactly inherent to humans. It's taught from the moment we are handed a blue shirt and a truck if you are a boy, or a pink shirt and a doll if you are a girl.
HolyRane
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Amen!
MajorasMask
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Whether opinion or not, it can fuel arguements.
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This guy really does have great ideas, and could solve a lot of problems. However, I don't think the VP will work. Even if it happens over time, the problems that I mentioned would still happen - and the Pride Cycle I mentioned works over a long period of time, usually.
Even some of these things in the VP would probably work. But as a whole, I don't see it succeeding, or at least for very long.
Even some of these things in the VP would probably work. But as a whole, I don't see it succeeding, or at least for very long.
jaif14
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I read this all, here is my view
Nice, but not possible with the people today. This is an image of the world of Star Trek.
The Venus Project can work near perfectly, but something always has to give.
- Democracy + Capitalism are perfect on paper until people get rich. They want more because the principal of greed. This causes death and the end to civilization faster. They will be too busy rigging the government and stuff to relise the end is coming, and coming fast due to the instant greed. You can always get more at once, but it will always shorten the life span dramatically.
- Communism and Socialism are great until lazy bob decides he doesn't want to do anything for the greater good. Then there is the addition of greed corrupting things, so also not perfect.
- With this venus project, People of today will have no hope of being convinced until the Americas fall and a dramatic world incident happens that throws all the governments out of power. There would need to be something like a world wide nuclear fall out before something like this were to happen. Something would have to drive everyone together to make this happen. I can't see something like this happening.
Also, raising kids to support this would be as much brain washing as the current school and social system and media. No media is not bias in any way.
Nice, but not possible with the people today. This is an image of the world of Star Trek.
The Venus Project can work near perfectly, but something always has to give.
- Democracy + Capitalism are perfect on paper until people get rich. They want more because the principal of greed. This causes death and the end to civilization faster. They will be too busy rigging the government and stuff to relise the end is coming, and coming fast due to the instant greed. You can always get more at once, but it will always shorten the life span dramatically.
- Communism and Socialism are great until lazy bob decides he doesn't want to do anything for the greater good. Then there is the addition of greed corrupting things, so also not perfect.
- With this venus project, People of today will have no hope of being convinced until the Americas fall and a dramatic world incident happens that throws all the governments out of power. There would need to be something like a world wide nuclear fall out before something like this were to happen. Something would have to drive everyone together to make this happen. I can't see something like this happening.
Also, raising kids to support this would be as much brain washing as the current school and social system and media. No media is not bias in any way.