Make this video viral!

[MajorasMask]

I do not agree with this statement as you can see now how religious zealots are still active in this day and age ((As in 2012 lol)). You have fanatics in many religions wanting to destroy each other. Not all of the members of the religion mind you, just those who are fanatical in their thinking.

I just do not think you can make every person agree to this way of thinking.

Over the years more and more self centered, ignorant, violent and traditional social groups have been demolished. I know this isn't the case with all groups, and yes, there are still many out there that do believe it is right to cause harm to those that don't follow their beliefs. This is an issue within itself, and is not truely related to the VP.

Sure, not everyone will agree with eachother; but we should press and persuade people to live in a tolerant society. People, even with differences, can get along; provided that they are taught so at a young age. I expect many harsh, unjust and prejudice beliefs come from people's parents at a young age. If you educate people that cultural diversity and tolerance is a good thing, many of these issues of racism, sexism, fanatic-er-ism, ect, would be prevented.

Also, the ''age'' i'm talking about was during the times such as The Crusades. I'm sure that there arn't such mass executions, caused by religion, on such a scale in these times.

 

[Angyles]

Also, the ''age'' i'm talking about was during the times such as The Crusades. I'm sure that there arn't such mass executions, caused by religion, on such a scale in these times.

Depends on what you would consider "Mass executions" I suppose.

A Jihad is a holy war, and without getting into too much of a debate, some believe the attack on the Twin Towers was done for religious reasons. If you take that stance, do you not consider that act as "massive"?

I would love it if people could be tolerant of each other, I just do not think it is possible.

 

[MajorasMask]

Depends on what you would consider "Mass executions" I suppose.

A Jihad is a holy war, and without getting into too much of a debate, some believe the attack on the Twin Towers was done for religious reasons. If you take that stance, do you not consider that act as "massive"?

I would love it if people could be tolerant of each other, I just do not think it is possible.

If it is possible in the UK, it is possible elsewhere! I see very little racism in the area I live in, and it is very populated!

 

[Psychokhaos]

Whether or not he says that it is a Utopian society, it is one. I mean, think about it. Everyone has whatever they would need or want, whenever they may need or want it. People can do whatever they want. Seems like it would be an ideally perfect place/situation.

However, it would ultimately fail. Whether or not people have what they need would do nothing. There would still e greed and crime. There would be people unhappy with that system, and would attempt to overthrow it with chaos. On top of that, there would be what I know as the Pride Cycle, which goes as so:

1. Everyone has everything they need, everything is equal, etc.,
2. People start to acquire more than others, and they, based on human nature, start to think they're better than people with less.
3. The rich think they are just flat out better than the poor.
4. Bad things happen.
5. People realize they're idiots and end up being good again.
6. Rinse and repeat.

It just isn't truly possible with how people are. It would be nice, but there will always be rebels. Due to that, the system will end up failing. In theory, it would work brilliantly. But when you introduce the unpredictable human beings, then everything is thrown out the window. You can make attempts to predict things, but due to the unpredictable nature of mankind, you can't know it will work.

Also, in a Utopian society (again, regardless of what he says, it is Utopian), where we need not work, how would we learn? And I don't mean like with schools. Tests, trials. Problems teach us valuable things that nothing else can. (Note that I am not saying we need poverty, racism, etc., - But other things are needed.

And let's not forget everyone is practically forced to work for the greater good - whether or not it's enforced, they'd be wired to do so. This would, in a way, be taking away someone's agency, their very freedom to choose.

I'm done for this post, at the very least.

 

[MajorasMask]

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As i've said before, a 100% transformation of the current world to the one suggested by the project, is one that would require PROOF that it would work (such as a trial run, for instance). I wouldn't expect to see something like this be done so suddenly. I myself wouldn't see the project working at the moment, I feel society is generally not ready for anything on such a scale.

My main concern with this whole concept is that we should use and apply the technology and methods of social communication, presented by the VP, into our modern society. I feel that, with this, we could mark a start to get rid of the issues presented in the project. As shown in the video, and many others even unrelated to the VP, the current political systems don't solve our problems. However, i'm not saying the VP would solve everything, but more in a sense that it'll help out a lot more.

I feel that the VP could work at achieving global peace and protect for the environment. Whether or not mega-cities are built, I feel that the social and technological resources they offer could help to shape our world for the better.

 

[Brutalacerate]

I'm not supporting this project in the sense that I want a 100% transition to the world they have suggested, right this second. I'm supporting it mainly for the effort it has put into ending damage and destruction to the natural environment and modern society. What the video says is fact; the technology is there, why can't we use it? To dismiss this video, the project and it's meaning would be like saying ''It hopes for a better world, but meh, no point now. Even some principals it suggests, total bullshit. No need for any of them. The environment is going to shit, no point in it now.''

Also, progression on making the environment better is possible. People just need to focus on it more, being aware of what they can do. It doesn't require the ''nuclear warhead'' which you so wish upon. We can understand how important the world is through teaching people of it's importance. You need not use violence.




As for the comments on religion; this need not be brought up. However there are some topics about it on the website if you'd like to read them. Also, not going to go all rant-like here, but your comments, on a personal scale, about religion were quite offensive, to say the least.

Saying someone's beliefs are offensive is offensive; don't be a hypocrite.

Personally, I don't bash religious people, I bash organized religion. I didn't make any negative assumptions about religion, either, I merely stated fact in a humorous manner. Religion causes more bad than it does good. A lot of major wars were caused by religion/religious fanatics. Also, a lot of hatred is caused by religion/religious fanatics. I'm told I am going to burn in Hell since I don't believe in God. Homosexuals can't be comfortable with who they are without being constantly bashed by people of the Christian religion. Christians are constantly bashed and waged wars against by people who live by the Qur'An. It's just ridiculous. I will never believe in anything until I see it. No, not metaphorically, fuck that bullshit. I'm talking about literally seeing a "God" or other tangible proof. Don't live a life lead by blind faith, you'll only die questioning yourself on the same level you were before you were religious.

TL;DR

Religion causes war and hatred; doesn't solve anything.
The existence of a "God" has not been proven; doesn't exist.

 

[Acherous]

Saying someone's beliefs are offensive is offensive; don't be a hypocrite.

Personally, I don't bash religious people, I bash organized religion. I didn't make any negative assumptions about religion, either, I merely stated fact in a humorous manner. Religion causes more bad than it does good. A lot of major wars were caused by religion/religious fanatics. Also, a lot of hatred is caused by religion/religious fanatics. I'm told I am going to burn in Hell since I don't believe in God. Homosexuals can't be comfortable with who they are without being constantly bashed by people of the Christian religion. Christians are constantly bashed and waged wars against by people who live by the Qur'An. It's just ridiculous. I will never believe in anything until I see it. No, not metaphorically, fuck that bullshit. I'm talking about literally seeing a "God" or other tangible proof. Don't live a life lead by blind faith, you'll only die questioning yourself on the same level you were before you were religious.

TL;DR

Religion causes war and hatred; doesn't solve anything.
The existence of a "God" has not been proven; doesn't exist.

Yes, just yes. I wish I could like this more than once.

 

[itzmak]

im fucking confused.

 

[malmenca]

TL;DR

Religion causes war and hatred; doesn't solve anything.
The existence of a "God" has not been proven; doesn't exist.

Nuff said.
Disclaimer: Feel free to believe in god, and have faith in him/her.


The idea, as nice as it may seem, isn't possible. The human race as a whole with have to have another thought revolution similar to that of the introduction of Aristotelian logical thinking, or the renaissance in which we began question what happened around us. I don't know what is the new thing, but it must happen before we can progress.

 

[HolyRane]

My philosophy is this: humans are animals and will act as much, religion is the answer to the unsolved questions, things we cannot fathom, seeing as how humans are animals, we will never achieve perfect society, the only thing close would be a communistic dystopia, where one cannot know his true freedoms. A "perfect" society would involve brainwashing and raising kids in the EXACT same environment, you guys should read Anthem by Ayn Rand (I think that's how you spell her name), she was a child during the soviets communism days and wrote about a dystopian society in which everyone believed was great, think anti-utopia.

 

[HolyRane]

Saying someone's beliefs are offensive is offensive; don't be a hypocrite.

Personally, I don't bash religious people, I bash organized religion. I didn't make any negative assumptions about religion, either, I merely stated fact in a humorous manner. Religion causes more bad than it does good. A lot of major wars were caused by religion/religious fanatics. Also, a lot of hatred is caused by religion/religious fanatics. I'm told I am going to burn in Hell since I don't believe in God. Homosexuals can't be comfortable with who they are without being constantly bashed by people of the Christian religion. Christians are constantly bashed and waged wars against by people who live by the Qur'An. It's just ridiculous. I will never believe in anything until I see it. No, not metaphorically, fuck that bullshit. I'm talking about literally seeing a "God" or other tangible proof. Don't live a life lead by blind faith, you'll only die questioning yourself on the same level you were before you were religious.

TL;DR

Religion causes war and hatred; doesn't solve anything.
The existence of a "God" has not been proven; doesn't exist.

I LOVE YOU.

 

[Kwong050]

Saying someone's beliefs are offensive is offensive; don't be a hypocrite.

Personally, I don't bash religious people, I bash organized religion. I didn't make any negative assumptions about religion, either, I merely stated fact in a humorous manner. Religion causes more bad than it does good. A lot of major wars were caused by religion/religious fanatics. Also, a lot of hatred is caused by religion/religious fanatics. I'm told I am going to burn in Hell since I don't believe in God. Homosexuals can't be comfortable with who they are without being constantly bashed by people of the Christian religion. Christians are constantly bashed and waged wars against by people who live by the Qur'An. It's just ridiculous. I will never believe in anything until I see it. No, not metaphorically, fuck that bullshit. I'm talking about literally seeing a "God" or other tangible proof. Don't live a life lead by blind faith, you'll only die questioning yourself on the same level you were before you were religious.

TL;DR

Religion causes war and hatred; doesn't solve anything.
The existence of a "God" has not been proven; doesn't exist.

Incorrect, according to the bible, one should not believe in God because it has been proven to them but should believe in God because of their faith in him. Just saying

 

[HolyRane]

Incorrect, according to the bible, one should not believe in God because it has been proven to them but should believe in God because of their faith in him. Just saying

I think you just said the most confusing shit I've ever heard, DONT BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU CAN PROVE, BELIEVE IN WAT U THINK IS DER.

 

[Brutalacerate]

Incorrect, according to the bible, one should not believe in God because it has been proven to them but should believe in God because of their faith in him. Just saying

Hmmm...not sure what the hell you're talking about. Saying "Incorrect" is so fucking vague. Haha. What part of what I said was incorrect? Everything I said here is correct with the exception of a few of my opinions.

Show me where you read that at, unless you were just told that, which just completely makes your point invalid.

Where did I say otherwise? If you're referring to: "Don't live a life lead by blind faith, you'll only die questioning yourself on the same level you were before you were religious." then that's exactly what you're saying; blind faith...

 

[Dazureus]

Incorrect, according to the bible, one should not believe in God because it has been proven to them but should believe in God because of their faith in him. Just saying

Here's what I've been taught: faith in God can be reached through logic and evidence. It's not 100% specific, there's nothing in the sky that says "Sincerely, Jesus Christ" but what can be observed in the world, in history and in people forms a sort of frame that God fits into. It doesn't have to be blind faith, and I think that blind faith is a pretty ephemeral sort of faith to have.

If you disagree and want to quote you some scripture or something, I'm all ears of course~

 

[Brutalacerate]

Here's what I've been taught: faith in God can be reached through logic and evidence. It's not 100% specific, there's nothing in the sky that says "Sincerely, Jesus Christ" but what can be observed in the world, in history and in people forms a sort of frame that God fits into. It doesn't have to be blind faith, and I think that blind faith is a pretty ephemeral sort of faith to have.

If you disagree and want to quote you some scripture I'm all ears, of course~

I'm sorry, but this had me laughing. Sure, people can have faith in whatever they want, but having faith in someone/thing that is not real is just ridiculous. Free free to prove otherwise. Haha.

Logic? Really? That must be some flawed logic if you think proving nothing makes it valid. Evidence? Where? Haha.

Lost me there...

Do you honestly think there's scripture that would disprove the existence of itself? Of course not. What scripture proves the existence though? There isn't and that's why I call it blind faith. Show me scripture that supports what you're saying and disproves what I'm saying.

By the way, I think a fairy tale just hijacked this thread.

 

[RandomAcronym]

Ok, back on topic now.

 

[Dazureus]

Pardon if I rearrange stuff just a bit:

I'm sorry, but this had me laughing. Sure, people can have faith in whatever they want, but having faith in someone/thing that is not real is just ridiculous. Free free to prove otherwise. Haha.

I don't think it's ridiculous. And if I wasn't convinced it wasn't real I wouldn't bother. But it simply isn't something that can be empirically proven.

Lost me there...

So is it that don't understand what I'm trying to illustrate, or that you think it's so far-fetched that it's almost incomprehensible?

Logic? Really? That must be some flawed logic if you think proving nothing makes it valid. Evidence? Where? Haha.

There's evidence. Fragments of documents, human nature, the odd chariot wheel at the bottom of a waterway. And there's always the notion that everything's too orderly to have been thrown up by an eternally expanding and contracting hunk of matter. A lot of that sort of thing depends on your overall worldview, I think. But if you look for God He's there.

Do you honestly think there's scripture that would disprove the existence of itself? Of course not.

Not what I meant. Something that says God wants blind faith versus an intellectually-honest, reasoned faith.

What scripture proves the existence though? There isn't and that's why I call it blind faith.

What document proves itself in itself? It just puts forth information. Do you mean something else?

By the way, I think a fairy tale just hijacked this thread.

Only if you think molehills are mountains too... Unless you want to drag it out?

I can't say I didn't expect this sort of response. Although not from Brutal. Speaking to nobody in particular, I trust we can all remain mature enough to not totally insult other people's beliefs as they present them, eh?

 

[leftovers5]

A "perfect" society would involve brainwashing and raising kids in the EXACT same environment, you guys should read Anthem by Ayn Rand (I think that's how you spell her name), she was a child during the soviets communism days and wrote about a dystopian society in which everyone believed was great, think anti-utopia.

^^^^^
Also read Atlas Shrugged. Horribly long, but similar message.

 

[bearcat99]

Let's get back on topic with The Venus Project.