We Emberhollow and Mineris would like to declare war on O.S.

[MultiHeartGold]

Multi, I told you personally that they declared war because we raided Mineris and that my intention was to prevent Mineris from becoming active again. You said yourself you wanted to mark there and help us.

EDIT: To be clear, I take his intention to sell the town as a white flag in terms of reviving the town. He's basically given up.

Earlier in this page you talked about destruction of Mineris, not preventing it from becoming active. Also, you didnt change Mineris's activity at all.

 

[MajorasMask]

Let me quote this for you:

Here Ulti is basically saying he doesn't make enough money to comfortably upkeep the town. This is because he wasn't able to recruit people to stay in the town to help carry the burden. All we sought to do was use our marks to kill anybody in Mineris when we saw them, and steal stuff from all the uncovered chests. We only tried to speed up the inevitable. Without our pressure he might have recruited active members that would have changed the course of Mineris (we often whet there when no managers were online but prospective noob citizens were, to kill them). It doesn't matter if we were the ones directly responsible, but it is the outcome we wanted that EH could not prevent.

How do you know that new players were leaving simply due to the actions of OS? Do you have any proof of this?

And if the collapse of Mineris was indeed inevitable, then why act so victorious?

Plus, Ultimate doesn't even say ''new players leaving'' is one of the major reasons why he is selling Mineris, but mainly due to the fact that he can't be arsed to work on it (he has 10,000c, so it isn't likely that a lack of citizens, leading to a lack of tax and money, would have been as important as the fact that he has to organise/control the town).

His comment regarding the activity of his town was to explain why he is not passing over membership to another citizen; because there are no citizens to pass it down to. Why? Because, like he said: A. People rarely applied to his town, and B. Because those who did were active for only a day.

 

[Dielan9999]

Earlier in this page you talked about destruction of Mineris, not preventing it from becoming active. Also, you didnt change Mineris's activity at all.

That's the funny part, it wasn't hard! Mostly due to the circumstances of Ulti not wanting to upkeep the town and continue recruiting.

I told you in game the intention was preventing it from becoming active. I said destruction here for dramatic effect. Is there really any difference anyway? It's only a matter of time before the town is gone. I don't know why you are all arguing weather or not we got what we wanted lol

 

[MultiHeartGold]

That's the funny part, it wasn't hard! Mostly due to the circumstances of Ulti not wanting to upkeep the town and continue recruiting.

I told you in game the intention was preventing it from becoming active. I said destruction here for dramatic effect. Is there really any difference anyway? It's only a matter of time before the town is gone. I don't know why you are all arguing weather or not we got what we wanted lol

So... EmberHollow w/ Mineris declared a war on OS, and you automaticly won it because Ulti is selling Mineris? Also, didnt EvilThor join Mineris after the war had started, meaning Mineris technically gained more activity, meaning you didnt prevent it, but instead increased it.

 

[Dielan9999]

How do you know that new players were leaving simply due to the actions of OS? Do you have any proof of this?

And if the collapse of Mineris was indeed inevitable, then why act so victorious?

Plus, Ultimate doesn't even say ''new players leaving'' is one of the major reasons why he is selling Mineris, but mainly due to the fact that he can't be arsed to work on it (he has 10,000c, so it isn't likely that a lack of citizens, leading to a lack of tax and money, would have been as important as the fact that he has to organise/control the town).

His comment regarding the activity of his town was to explain why he is not passing over membership to another citizen; because there are no citizens to pass it down to. Why? Because, like he said: A. People rarely applied to his town, and B. Because those who did were active for only a day.

I have no proof at all that OS was directly responsible. That's not the point. I'm only acting so victorious because EH decided to post this thread and make a big deal about stopping us.

They spent all their time pressuring OS with PVP, they paid no attention to Mineris or it's needs. If the tables were flipped and this was happening to an OS town: We would have shuffled active members and done our best for the town. Again if this thread had never been made, this would have happened anyway and I would have done a little happy dance behind the scenes in our private convos, and not made any deal of it whatsoever on the forum like this.

 

[Dielan9999]

So... EmberHollow w/ Mineris declared a war on OS, and you automaticly won it because Ulti is selling Mineris? Also, didnt EvilThor join Mineris after the war had started, meaning Mineris technically gained more activity, meaning you didnt prevent it, but instead increased it.

Again read the first post. EH came to Mineris' defense and all we wanted to do was hurt Mineris and not EH. We don't care about EH, their relation to Mineris is very small and it still confuses me why they even tried. OS is a kingdom of opportunity, we know what we want and try actively to get it. All you guys ever did was PVP.

Again, we got what we wanted. Who are you to argue that fact? Sure we weren't directly responsible, so maybe it was fate

 

[MultiHeartGold]

Again read the first post. EH came to Mineris' defense and all we wanted to do was hurt Mineris and not EH. We don't care about EH, their relation to Mineris is very small and it still confuses me why they even tried. OS is a kingdom of opportunity, we know what we want and try actively to get it. All you guys ever did was PVP.

Again, we got what we wanted. Who are you to argue that fact? Sure we weren't directly responsible, so maybe it was fate

It was EmberHollow that declared the war, so IMO you should officially announce what you think is your victory when replying to the thread for the first time. Also, you might not want to use "you" when talking about EH/Mineris but while quoting a post made by me.

 

[MajorasMask]

I have no proof at all that OS was directly responsible. That's not the point. I'm only acting so victorious because EH decided to post this thread and make a big deal about stopping us.

They spent all their time pressuring OS with PVP, they paid no attention to Mineris or it's needs. If the tables were flipped and this was happening to an OS town: We would have shuffled active members and done our best for the town. Again if this thread had never been made, this would have happened anyway and I would have done a little happy dance behind the scenes in our private convos, and not made any deal of it whatsoever on the forum like this.

By that you assume that the war was created to protect Mineris, and is not merely a retaliation to the comments coming from OS, regarding Mineris, which made Werwer upset enough to start a war. Werwer and CO may have accepted that Mineris would inevitably fall, but they just didn't want OS to play any role in that. What Wer, or Sigdil or Predator, ment by ''ruin'' isn't specified as making the town lose it's regions, or just go completely inactive.

 

[Fjordsen]

Dielan9999 I'm pretty sure that EH was the one declaring war on OS, not the other way around. So really, unless EH decides to back off in this conflict it's not over.

 

[Dielan9999]

Dielan9999 I'm pretty sure that EH was the one declaring war on OS, not the other way around. So really, unless EH decides to back off in this conflict it's not over.

EH hasn't done anything to OS besides pvp, which on this server is like a sport that everybody is expected to at least try. Even if the war was "over" they would never stop raiding us. That is normal, and if that's the worst we can expect, then it's w/e and we can carry on like everyday business

Would it make you feel better if instead of "declaring victory" I simply "stated" that OS has achieved all of its goals in this war? Not sure what the difference is. What were you guys trying to do anyway?

 

[Symbolite]

Heh, remember on zeal when the people of RoV and the Freepers were really strong allies of OS.

Anyway, way I see it as an outside viewer (as I've had no in-game involvement in this war). The goal of OS against Mineris has been accomplished effectively winning the war on their intended target. However, that goal was the cause of EH's declaration of war. So OS may have accomplished their goal of winning the war against Mineris but I'd say they have another war against EH to win as well. What are the goals in this war tho?

 

[Dielan9999]

Heh, remember on zeal when the people of RoV and the Freepers were really strong allies of OS.

Anyway, way I see it as an outside viewer (as I've had no in-game involvement in this war). The goal of OS against Mineris has been accomplished effectively winning the war on their intended target. However, that goal was the cause of EH's declaration of war. So OS may have accomplished their goal of winning the war against Mineris but I'd say they have another war against EH to win as well. What are the goals in this war tho?

That's a very nice way of putting what I was trying to get across.

Clearly the conflict is not over. What nobody knows is what werwew190 wants out of this war! This could still be fun!

 

[Fjordsen]

Having accomplished exactly what we set out to do: I would like to formally DECLARE VICTORY FOR THE ORDER OF THE RISING SUN!

Clearly the conflict is not over.

Hypocrite.

 

[thomasyeung9999]

Hypocrite.

Clearly dielan was talking about two conflicts, the one with mineris and with EH. That is two different things, read the posts first...

 

[kevinlive]

All I see here is that Mineris stopped giving a fuck about their town, and want to sell it. OS sees it as they've completed their goal, and I must comply that regardless of the situation - they have.

Now Mineris's members are too affiliated with their pride to just roll with OS completing their goal, which leads to a forum-train of arguments.

About the whole "OS has won the war!", "no, OS has not won the war" thing.
EH and Mineries declared the war, and OS most likely doesn't care. Now that Mineris is out of the war, OS still doesn't care. Win?


How I see it from my standpoint

 

[leftovers5]

It looks like Resist is victorious once again.

All kidding aside, in my opinion towns should literally organize "wars" and "battles" instead of the unorganized skirmishes/raids we see today. Preferably on a flattened out field or something.

 

[Dielan9999]

It looks like Resist is victorious once again.

All kidding aside, in my opinion towns should literally organize "wars" and "battles" instead of the unorganized skirmishes/raids we see today. Preferably on a flattened out field or something.

That would be cool. But there isn't anything to gain.

That's why OS loots towns more than it attacks people. It's just more profitable.

 

[MagikCardz]

Is there any possibility that both side can be in peace and be allies again? Like come on no one likes a war. Too much fighting and that might turn the new players away.

 

[lioIIoil]

Is there any possibility that both side can be in peace and be allies again? Like come on no one likes a war. Too much fighting and that might turn the new players away.

PvP is fun

 

[thomasyeung9999]

PvP is fun

Not fun for those unspec newbies, I think people should be able to goose whether or not they want to PvP. Also for those who always lag because of their connection or computer, they won't like PvP too. It will cause too much lag, and which lag can cause the disconnect.