ADaringEnchilada
Legacy Supporter 4
- Joined
- Jun 7, 2011
Let me start this off with an address to the staff: I am not insulting the server, I am not attacking any staff personally based on how they manage the server, I do appreciate all the effort they put into the server, as I do thoroughly enjoy my time on Herocraft.
As of late, it has come to my attention that even very basic conversation simply cannot be achieved in the Global [o] chat. I am going to refer to my most recent incident, that being a raid conducted by the citizens of Ignotis. After the raid had finished, with the last of the opposition crushed by our strengthening numbers, I went into the Off topic chat to discuss a few things with the raiders. First, I wanted to know how they entered our city. I know of 3 methods of entering, a Dragoon's jump ability, a Wizard's blink ability, and one of many forms of exploitation.
Honestly, I wanted to hear that they had exploited to get in, simply because I wanted to know how to improve our walls, which we believe are immune to the more common exploit methods. Had they admitted to what they had done to breach, which would have had little to no effect on them entering the next time they planned to raid us (considering I had it narrowed down to 2 possibilities, they had no Dragoon at the time, thus jump could not have been their method of entry,) yet they persisted in simple responses that either dodged the question or was an arrogant retort to what I had said.
Had they answered the first question, I may have not been quite as inclined to question them further. According to Mung3r, the first victim, he was standing AFK in our Town Hall, a PvP free zone. Knowing this, and being upset by their attitude towards me previously, I continued to question them on how they killed Mung3r while he was standing in our PvP free zone. The answer was obvious, that they pushed him out, and they technically admitted to doing so, but repeatedly claimed it was legal, most likely to deter us from filing a formal petition against them for breaking a rather obvious or assumed rule. Yet surprisingly, it is legal, and I will discuss the hypocrisy of this later on.
Yet it wasn't just the arrogance of the citizens who actively participated in the raid that irritated me, it was a few of the no-names that suddenly appeared in the chat, a few belonging to Ignotis. For instance, I was told to take it to channel Slap, however that is for people who are raging or fighting. I was trying to avoid a conflict, I was merely asking questions and pressing them for answers. Yet people such as Max9879 constantly pursued me, telling me otherwise on every subject, and telling me to step down when he had no knowledge of what actually went down in Orion.
This sort of 'blind' arrogance is by far the most irritating. Several people interjected many times, interrupting what I was saying, and attacking me (verbally) while I was trying to get answers to my questions. I can see how they may have felt that my questions were accusing them, and they interpreted it as such, but I can assure you that they were not. I never accused them of anything, but I placed emphasis on the 3rd option (exploitation) and I emphasized their lack of proof that they did not exploit. I repeatedly asked for them proof that they did not exploit, this could have been interpreted as accusing them as well, and in a sense it was. At that point I was accusing them because they could not willingly provide evidence that they did not. Had they told me that they blinked over and opened our gates (which I knew they had done the whole time) then I would have never accused anyone of exploiting.
On to the second crime, which was followed by the largest wave of arrogance that night. Upon the brief interlude where I was conceiving my next set of questions for them, people had assumed what they were now mentally considering the fight, had finally died down. My next comment probably irritated those easily irritated without logical reason into a frenzy. Repeatedly, and by a large group, I was told to go to channel slap, which I view as derogatory and only a method of inflaming a situation as well as making a serious issue seem childish. Nothing said in Slap is ever taken seriously, and the channel itself, its mere existence, irritates me. In this frenzy of "Take it to Slap." and "stop spamming my chat with your problems." my original message got lost. Because when I took up a heated topic, people suddenly noticed, and tried to make this their chance to be viewed as cool in the eyes of the community. The primary antagonist in my opinion, was not Onix or KrisKills (who was ill behaved for a pseudo-staff member) but rather Max9879.
A short investigation into max reveals that he's near my age, and highly hypocritical. Directly quoted from his whitelist application is "Additional Info: I am mature, awesome and bi winning." obviously reveals that he unintentionally juxtaposes mature and bi-wining, to things that don't match, but when smashed together give you something new. In this case, it is not a clever use of rhetoric, but rather the result of an immature mind with an ego that wants to be seen as mature.
It was during my discussion that Max incessantly interjected random simple sentences, seemingly trying to beat me, telling me I was wrong, to step down, to accept defeat, when in fact he was making a fool of himself in the eyes of me and my peers. His sudden burst of 'maturity' resulted in his behavior becoming that of the common Douche-bag who seeks attention and public opinion of himself. His constant interjections inflamed a dangerous situation and miraculously wound up making me look like a fool because suddenly my words were twisted around and mutilated to match people's interpretations of what I said, rather than what I meant. Instantly I was flooded with requests that basically read out as "No one gives a fuck, go to Slap." My own stubbornness to quit, to resist and try and beat the mindless in their own game of pseudo/true trolling wound up backfiring, but only because no one managed to see my perspective.
In short, people constantly accuse me of being a rager, a kid who gets pissed when I lose in combat, which is partly true, in that I care when I die, and there is no excuse for myself, I cannot justify my loss simply because I was a low level Smith at the time, that is not enough to justify what I have led people to believe I am. But the constant attacks even random people make on me are the ones that ought to be addressed, not me complaining in a global chat or questioning someone in a global chat. In my honest opinion, if they cannot say something useful, and short, such as "That is actually legal, what they did was legitimate, and you should lay down that issue for now." Then they should not speak at all, for the only thing a random bi stander who never witnessed the event can do is confirm if a rule is in fact a rule. Rather, people speak what they think went down, as opposed to what really happened. Should that happen, it can only server to inflame a dangerous situation which can easily boil over with just a little of their superfluous input.
Earlier on, I said I would discuss the controversial rule of pushing people out of a PvP protected region. As many of you know, you are not allowed to use any means of attacking a player in a foreign PvP protected region, including fire arrows, fire balls, and particularly SoulFire. Yet you are technically allowed to push a player out of their PvP protected region in order to kill them, this occurred to Mung3r as I stated earlier. In my opinion, if you cannot attack them because they are protected, then why should you be able to place them where you can attack them? Similarly, you cannot use Forcepush to pull them out, yet you can push them out with your own body, which is exactly the same, bar the amount of effort and the use of one skill to accelerate the process. This rule, similar to scamming people out of their items in a 'secured' trade seems like something that ought to be common logic, but is neglected for reasons I can not explain.
In conclusion, it would appear that several people, groups and rules are at fault here. One being the people who interject their own opinion into a matter they were not involved in under the guise that "it is global chat, so it must be my business as well." Secondly it is the fault of people who tell others presenting a legitimate argument that can be carried out calmly to "Stop raging and take it to /Slap." That comment alone will always distract from the argument and inflame the situation.
Thirdly would be the lack of a formal set of rules. It seems to me that every mod, admin, and guide has a different set of rules. Where Punisher and Xanipher say that scamming in a 'secured' trade is legal because mods are not responsible for policing trade, Admins such as Brutalacerate and Neo_exdeath abide by different rules. This could be partly due to the individuals personal opinion and the possibility that there is a rule that states it is illegal, bur that mods and admins do not need to police it, where two admins coincidentally share the same view since perhaps they do not have to deal with as much work as the two mentioned mods have to. That is my take on the situation, and if I am wrong, then please correct me.
Granted it is annoying when someone brings their business in your face in the [o] chat, and when people like me start getting irritated, we start to use more formal language to hide our emotions and keep from statements that could be wrongly interpreted, it does not justify all the arrogance and personal attacks received from random individuals. And as you may have noticed, individuals such as myself take to longer forms of writing to express our feelings, this several thousand word essay is the only way I can partly show how I feel about so many interlaced subjects, while remaining formal and in a position of high education. I do not want to dumb myself down because that would only hurt my argument. I argue from a high point in writing because it gives me an advantage I need, but proves useless against the seemingly brain dead mass of people who are the quickest to strike out at me.
In closing, I'd like to apologize to the staff if you feel offended, I have nothing but respect for the effort you put forth for something as trivial as a game such as Minecraft. I tried throughout the essay to remain composed, and try to avoid getting personal, but examples must be made, else my argument is only theoretical and holds no value in my own opinion. If I offended you in this essay, then good. That was the point, to make you get mad, to make you do something. How you focus that energy, for or against me, is up to you. Hopefully you can see the points I'm making and hopefully you can feel they way I feel, and fight with me to help end the arrogance that is inflating tiny dilemmas largely out of proportion. In the end, its up to the person to decide whether to take action or to sit idle and merely agree or disagree with me in their thoughts, provoking no response and no way to change the flawed for hopes of improvement.
As of late, it has come to my attention that even very basic conversation simply cannot be achieved in the Global [o] chat. I am going to refer to my most recent incident, that being a raid conducted by the citizens of Ignotis. After the raid had finished, with the last of the opposition crushed by our strengthening numbers, I went into the Off topic chat to discuss a few things with the raiders. First, I wanted to know how they entered our city. I know of 3 methods of entering, a Dragoon's jump ability, a Wizard's blink ability, and one of many forms of exploitation.
Honestly, I wanted to hear that they had exploited to get in, simply because I wanted to know how to improve our walls, which we believe are immune to the more common exploit methods. Had they admitted to what they had done to breach, which would have had little to no effect on them entering the next time they planned to raid us (considering I had it narrowed down to 2 possibilities, they had no Dragoon at the time, thus jump could not have been their method of entry,) yet they persisted in simple responses that either dodged the question or was an arrogant retort to what I had said.
Had they answered the first question, I may have not been quite as inclined to question them further. According to Mung3r, the first victim, he was standing AFK in our Town Hall, a PvP free zone. Knowing this, and being upset by their attitude towards me previously, I continued to question them on how they killed Mung3r while he was standing in our PvP free zone. The answer was obvious, that they pushed him out, and they technically admitted to doing so, but repeatedly claimed it was legal, most likely to deter us from filing a formal petition against them for breaking a rather obvious or assumed rule. Yet surprisingly, it is legal, and I will discuss the hypocrisy of this later on.
Yet it wasn't just the arrogance of the citizens who actively participated in the raid that irritated me, it was a few of the no-names that suddenly appeared in the chat, a few belonging to Ignotis. For instance, I was told to take it to channel Slap, however that is for people who are raging or fighting. I was trying to avoid a conflict, I was merely asking questions and pressing them for answers. Yet people such as Max9879 constantly pursued me, telling me otherwise on every subject, and telling me to step down when he had no knowledge of what actually went down in Orion.
This sort of 'blind' arrogance is by far the most irritating. Several people interjected many times, interrupting what I was saying, and attacking me (verbally) while I was trying to get answers to my questions. I can see how they may have felt that my questions were accusing them, and they interpreted it as such, but I can assure you that they were not. I never accused them of anything, but I placed emphasis on the 3rd option (exploitation) and I emphasized their lack of proof that they did not exploit. I repeatedly asked for them proof that they did not exploit, this could have been interpreted as accusing them as well, and in a sense it was. At that point I was accusing them because they could not willingly provide evidence that they did not. Had they told me that they blinked over and opened our gates (which I knew they had done the whole time) then I would have never accused anyone of exploiting.
On to the second crime, which was followed by the largest wave of arrogance that night. Upon the brief interlude where I was conceiving my next set of questions for them, people had assumed what they were now mentally considering the fight, had finally died down. My next comment probably irritated those easily irritated without logical reason into a frenzy. Repeatedly, and by a large group, I was told to go to channel slap, which I view as derogatory and only a method of inflaming a situation as well as making a serious issue seem childish. Nothing said in Slap is ever taken seriously, and the channel itself, its mere existence, irritates me. In this frenzy of "Take it to Slap." and "stop spamming my chat with your problems." my original message got lost. Because when I took up a heated topic, people suddenly noticed, and tried to make this their chance to be viewed as cool in the eyes of the community. The primary antagonist in my opinion, was not Onix or KrisKills (who was ill behaved for a pseudo-staff member) but rather Max9879.
A short investigation into max reveals that he's near my age, and highly hypocritical. Directly quoted from his whitelist application is "Additional Info: I am mature, awesome and bi winning." obviously reveals that he unintentionally juxtaposes mature and bi-wining, to things that don't match, but when smashed together give you something new. In this case, it is not a clever use of rhetoric, but rather the result of an immature mind with an ego that wants to be seen as mature.
It was during my discussion that Max incessantly interjected random simple sentences, seemingly trying to beat me, telling me I was wrong, to step down, to accept defeat, when in fact he was making a fool of himself in the eyes of me and my peers. His sudden burst of 'maturity' resulted in his behavior becoming that of the common Douche-bag who seeks attention and public opinion of himself. His constant interjections inflamed a dangerous situation and miraculously wound up making me look like a fool because suddenly my words were twisted around and mutilated to match people's interpretations of what I said, rather than what I meant. Instantly I was flooded with requests that basically read out as "No one gives a fuck, go to Slap." My own stubbornness to quit, to resist and try and beat the mindless in their own game of pseudo/true trolling wound up backfiring, but only because no one managed to see my perspective.
In short, people constantly accuse me of being a rager, a kid who gets pissed when I lose in combat, which is partly true, in that I care when I die, and there is no excuse for myself, I cannot justify my loss simply because I was a low level Smith at the time, that is not enough to justify what I have led people to believe I am. But the constant attacks even random people make on me are the ones that ought to be addressed, not me complaining in a global chat or questioning someone in a global chat. In my honest opinion, if they cannot say something useful, and short, such as "That is actually legal, what they did was legitimate, and you should lay down that issue for now." Then they should not speak at all, for the only thing a random bi stander who never witnessed the event can do is confirm if a rule is in fact a rule. Rather, people speak what they think went down, as opposed to what really happened. Should that happen, it can only server to inflame a dangerous situation which can easily boil over with just a little of their superfluous input.
Earlier on, I said I would discuss the controversial rule of pushing people out of a PvP protected region. As many of you know, you are not allowed to use any means of attacking a player in a foreign PvP protected region, including fire arrows, fire balls, and particularly SoulFire. Yet you are technically allowed to push a player out of their PvP protected region in order to kill them, this occurred to Mung3r as I stated earlier. In my opinion, if you cannot attack them because they are protected, then why should you be able to place them where you can attack them? Similarly, you cannot use Forcepush to pull them out, yet you can push them out with your own body, which is exactly the same, bar the amount of effort and the use of one skill to accelerate the process. This rule, similar to scamming people out of their items in a 'secured' trade seems like something that ought to be common logic, but is neglected for reasons I can not explain.
In conclusion, it would appear that several people, groups and rules are at fault here. One being the people who interject their own opinion into a matter they were not involved in under the guise that "it is global chat, so it must be my business as well." Secondly it is the fault of people who tell others presenting a legitimate argument that can be carried out calmly to "Stop raging and take it to /Slap." That comment alone will always distract from the argument and inflame the situation.
Thirdly would be the lack of a formal set of rules. It seems to me that every mod, admin, and guide has a different set of rules. Where Punisher and Xanipher say that scamming in a 'secured' trade is legal because mods are not responsible for policing trade, Admins such as Brutalacerate and Neo_exdeath abide by different rules. This could be partly due to the individuals personal opinion and the possibility that there is a rule that states it is illegal, bur that mods and admins do not need to police it, where two admins coincidentally share the same view since perhaps they do not have to deal with as much work as the two mentioned mods have to. That is my take on the situation, and if I am wrong, then please correct me.
Granted it is annoying when someone brings their business in your face in the [o] chat, and when people like me start getting irritated, we start to use more formal language to hide our emotions and keep from statements that could be wrongly interpreted, it does not justify all the arrogance and personal attacks received from random individuals. And as you may have noticed, individuals such as myself take to longer forms of writing to express our feelings, this several thousand word essay is the only way I can partly show how I feel about so many interlaced subjects, while remaining formal and in a position of high education. I do not want to dumb myself down because that would only hurt my argument. I argue from a high point in writing because it gives me an advantage I need, but proves useless against the seemingly brain dead mass of people who are the quickest to strike out at me.
In closing, I'd like to apologize to the staff if you feel offended, I have nothing but respect for the effort you put forth for something as trivial as a game such as Minecraft. I tried throughout the essay to remain composed, and try to avoid getting personal, but examples must be made, else my argument is only theoretical and holds no value in my own opinion. If I offended you in this essay, then good. That was the point, to make you get mad, to make you do something. How you focus that energy, for or against me, is up to you. Hopefully you can see the points I'm making and hopefully you can feel they way I feel, and fight with me to help end the arrogance that is inflating tiny dilemmas largely out of proportion. In the end, its up to the person to decide whether to take action or to sit idle and merely agree or disagree with me in their thoughts, provoking no response and no way to change the flawed for hopes of improvement.
Might solve part of the problem
