Making Combat Logging ILLEGAL.

[what777]

I don't like how people can combat log,
ATM the rules are:
If you don't hit them, even tough you are chasing them they can log.
This doesn't really make sense to me be cause you are still logging off to avoid PVP.

Even WITH frapsed proof, its still legal.

I want the rules to change and become like this:
Combatlogging is ILLEGAL,
No matter if you get hit or not.

If you get hit, you drop a copy of yourself (like now).
But if a person records you combatlogging (without getting hit) you can still get them warned/banned or whatever.

1 guy, combatlogged SIX times on me today.
The rules allow this, and this makes PvP almost impossible.

See a Fireball coming at you? NP I jsut log out, wait 5 sec and log back in.

Another problem here:
If you log out, and logback in you are INVULNERABLE for .5 seconds. In this time YOU can hit someone, but the other person cannot hit you.
If you do this all the time, you can kill someone and not even get warned/banned. (its not against the rules).

 

[truelinko]

i lag alot, especially during combat, lag out, and if this happened to me, id get banned for lagging? ...., plus its not combat logging, IF ITS BEFORE THE combat,

 

[what777]

i lag alot, especially during combat, lag out, and if this happened to me, id get banned for lagging? ...., plus its not combat logging, IF ITS BEFORE THE combat,

If you reconnect after lagging out, NP.
Also combatlogging=avoiding combat by logging off. If I'm chasing you, and a fireball is coming right to you and you log off, you kinda are avoiding death/combat.

 

[Angyles]

If you reconnect after lagging out, NP.
Also combatlogging=avoiding combat by logging off. If I'm chasing you, and a fireball is coming right to you and you log off, you kinda are avoiding death/combat.

So what if I am out running around, you walk up behind me. I do not see you, I do not see the fireball, but log because I need a drink, or have a call. Should I be banned for that?

 

[Kryptomaniac]

So what if I am out running around, you walk up behind me. I do not see you, I do not see the fireball, but log because I need a drink, or have a call. Should I be banned for that?

Exactly. There's no possible way to know whether or not they're logging to purposely avoid entering combat. Some people just could randomly log off for whatever reason, and be clueless to the fact that you are there. If there were a way to figure out if they were combat logging or just logging off, that would be a different story. But you cant use logic to determine what someone was doing and for what reason.

Thats the ONLY issue to this.

 

[sadikyo]

I think the real defining factor in these types of situations is the level of abuse. If someone is logging out when they see someone, and then logs back in 5 seconds later, attacks, logs out again, logs on, attacks - that is clearly combat logging.

However, if someone just logs out once because they see someone coming, waits a few minutes, and then logs back on and goes back to what they were doing, I think that's a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I can't tell you how many times I have been building on my town, and saw a group of 3 or 4 people in the far distance (I'm talking like 50+ blocks away). I wasn't even geared for fighting, had tons of building materials on me, and just didn't feel like bothering with it, so I logged off. There are some times when you don't feel like fighting, either because you have to go soon, are really busy, aren't prepared, or you just know that it's a stupid fight that you'd lose hands down.

I think the current rule actually works well. If we make it illegal to log off before getting hit, then where do you draw the line? Is it combat logging if they see you 10 blocks away coming at them? What about 20 blocks? 50? When would it be considered combat logging?

There have also been times where I was already late for something, and needed to get off minecraft about 10 mins ago. Well, I just want to finish up something I'm working on. Then I see a bunch of people coming. I literally just don't have the time to deal with it, so I log off. I won't be shy about it - I have done this numerous times.

 

[Kryptomaniac]

yea, sometimes people just dont wanna fight. hell some people just dont like pvp, is it truly to fair to push it on them. Either pvp or be banned.

 

[what777]

I think the real defining factor in these types of situations is the level of abuse. If someone is logging out when they see someone, and then logs back in 5 seconds later, attacks, logs out again, logs on, attacks - that is clearly combat logging.

However, if someone just logs out once because they see someone coming, waits a few minutes, and then logs back on and goes back to what they were doing, I think that's a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I can't tell you how many times I have been building on my town, and saw a group of 3 or 4 people in the far distance (I'm talking like 50+ blocks away). I wasn't even geared for fighting, had tons of building materials on me, and just didn't feel like bothering with it, so I logged off. There are some times when you don't feel like fighting, either because you have to go soon, are really busy, aren't prepared, or you just know that it's a stupid fight that you'd lose hands down.

I think the current rule actually works well. If we make it illegal to log off before getting hit, then where do you draw the line? Is it combat logging if they see you 10 blocks away coming at them? What about 20 blocks? 50? When would it be considered combat logging?

There have also been times where I was already late for something, and needed to get off minecraft about 10 mins ago. Well, I just want to finish up something I'm working on. Then I see a bunch of people coming. I literally just don't have the time to deal with it, so I log off. I won't be shy about it - I have done this numerous times.

I know, Im pretty much talking about the people that SEE you LOOK at you then log off. then log on 20 seconds later, see you logg of again.

Im talking here about 5-10 blocks away, and if I get it frapsed (I run fraps 24/7) I can report it to a admin, and the admins will review it and say if it was combat logging or not.

 

[Airbus101]

its called "combat logging" because your in combat and trying not to die, logging in and out.

its not called "I was too much of a pussy to fight you when I saw you on that mountain so I went and watched Dora the explore for 30 mins."

I know who you are I hear you singing backpack, back pack!!!

 

[Fjordsen]

My Minecraft client crashes every 10-20 minutes, this has happened to me whe i'm being attacked too. I tried to give more memory to Java, but i get errors I think the rules should stay as it is.

 

[applelove]

^ me.

If we were banned for logging out before combat started, I would have been banned on Sanctum ages ago. I was out running around with a nice 1500c bounty on my head, stopped to log out and do other things, and came back 20 minutes later. A guy had been following me and was RIGHT behind me the second I logged out, then waited for me to log back in and claim the bounty. I had no idea I had been followed at all.

In the past, this server attempted to cater to all players and all play styles. I don't know if this is still our mission, but if it is, forcing players to pvp is going to run off a large chunk of the server. May as well outlaw underground cities and walls too, right?

 

[Angyles]

Again how do you know they actually saw you? Sometimes my game does not load properly so perhaps you are there, I do not see you and I log to try and fix my game.

There are too many variables in what could happen, and you cannot always be positive they see you.

Hell unless it is shiny I will miss it.

 

[Kryptomaniac]

Thats the major issue, theres no way at all to prove whether someone combat logged or not, when they're not actually in combat. You can try to justify it at the moment, but unless your on the other side of that computer of who your chasing, for all you know they could dc a lot. Its impossible to say i know for a fact he pvp logged. Its just impossible.

 

[sadikyo]

Airbus --- if I'm not geared for fighting because I'm building, and see 4 spec'd wizards coming at me, I'm not gonna fight. If that makes me a "pussy" then so be it. I'd prefer the term "intelligent."

...Anyway, there will never be consensus on this issue. There are those who like to PVP all the time, and there are people who just aren't that into PVP. I recognize that this is a hardcore server with a heavy PVP influence, but it doesn't mean there aren't people who want to accomplish other things in addition to PVP (notice I didn't say 'instead of' ). I like PVP, but not ALL the time.

 

[Angyles]

Airbus --- if I'm not geared for fighting because I'm building, and see 4 spec'd wizards coming at me, I'm not gonna fight. If that makes me a "pussy" then so be it. I'd prefer the term "intelligent."

I have to agree with this post. Pick your battles =P

 

[Dazureus]

What is the deal with the copy-dropping? I've seen those here and there but I haven't been able to damage them at all.

 

[Airbus101]

ok, your all not getting what I laid down...let me try again

if your fighting aka someone spanked someone THEN you log out its combat logging, hence the term logging while in combat aka combat logging. (this rule will not change, kainzo hates changing stuff that works. and there would be to many grey areas of people not knowing your there) I'm always standing around people that are oblivious that im there...

my joke, which no one got! was about seeing someone on another mountain and logging out is perfectly ok, just cowardly...
there is nothing wrong or illegal about being a coward.


this rule in the past came about from people blinking in and out of the server stabbing then healing, when opportunity was in their favor. we have all but crushed this way of fighting the current rules work well and the ability of the admins, and mods to watch silently from afar to keep tabs allows us to weed out those whom cant grasp this simple rule.

 

[Kainzo]

^ me.

If we were banned for logging out before combat started, I would have been banned on Sanctum ages ago. I was out running around with a nice 1500c bounty on my head, stopped to log out and do other things, and came back 20 minutes later. A guy had been following me and was RIGHT behind me the second I logged out, then waited for me to log back in and claim the bounty. I had no idea I had been followed at all.

In the past, this server attempted to cater to all players and all play styles. I don't know if this is still our mission, but if it is, forcing players to pvp is going to run off a large chunk of the server. May as well outlaw underground cities and walls too, right?

We're still aiming to cater to all play styles. Including cowards! (Teheee)

 

[applelove]

this rule in the past came about from people blinking in and out of the server stabbing then healing, when opportunity was in their favor. we have all but crushed this way of fighting the current rules work well and the ability of the admins, and mods to watch silently from afar to keep tabs allows us to weed out those whom cant grasp this simple rule.

I remember the assasin's guild being notorious for this :I We raided their base before Vrah was formed and wiped the floor with them before they started logging in and out to escape <3

 

[Dielan9999]

Besides if you do hit them and they log that "PvpLoggerX" ghost is left behind with all their stuff that you can kill. I don't see any issues with this, I think the way things are now are just fine. And I don't log out from a fights