Class System

[Irishman81]

New Class system for Factions:

Ninja -> Runeblade, Bard
Ranger -> Future Ranged Classes
Samurai -> Paladin, Dreadknight, Berserker, Dragoon
Wizard -> Necromancer, Beguiler, Pyromancer
Cleric -> Druid, Disciple, Shaman, Bloodmage

We also need to discuss Classes losing a certain amount of skills:
(Not including tumble or Tier two ultimates)

10 for Casters/Support, 8 for Warriors/Rogues
Casters:
Wizard: Current skills: 14: Suggested Removal: Arcaneblast, Blizzard, Firestorm, Port
Beguiler: Current skills: 10: Suggested Removal: Splendor: Add Chronophage
Pyromancer: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Cauterize, Flameshield, Doomwave
Necromancer: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Hellgate, Famine, BecomeDeath

Warrior:
Paladin: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Revive, Intervene, Disarm, Invuln, Bash
Dreadknight: Current skills: 11: Suggested Removal: Darkscythe, manafreeze, becomedeath, curse: Add Desecration: Add more magic damage to make up for darkscythe
Samurai: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Provoke, Honor, MortalWound, Cleave, Bash: Add some more physical damage to kit
Dragoon: Current skills: 11: Suggested Removal: Bash, Cleave, Impale: Add interrupt on spear
Berserker: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Toss, Frenzy, Bladegrasp, Bash, Provoke, Whirlwind: Add Throwaxe. Look into rebalancing damage

Rogue:
Ninja: Current skills: 15: Suggested Removal: Blitz, Fade, Escapeartist, Envenom, Shuriken, Blind, Grapplinghook, Deathmark: Add Shadowstep: Increase Kick/Left Click damage
Runeblade: Current skills: 12: Suggested Removal: DevourMagic, ArcaneTransfer, Sneak, Icerune: Add a slow onto voidrune/Decrease some cooldowns
Ranger: Current skills: 12: Suggested Removal: Maim, Camouflage, Gills, Aimedshot, Icevolley: Add RuptureShot: ExplosiveShot damage increase
Bard: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Sneak, Envenom, Song of Respiration, Drop the Bass, Battlesong, HealingChorus: Add DoomstarRequiem: Overall small buffs to other skills

Support:
Cleric: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Blessing, Courage, Wrath, Invuln. Add SacredGlimmer: Buff smite to undead/slight damage
Druid: Current skills: 15: Suggested Removal: Port, Gills, Bruteforce, Camouflage, RampartVines
Disciple: Current skills: 14: Suggested Removal: Alacrity, Ironfist, Safefall, Smite: Overall Damage Buffs/Fix quiveringpalm
Shaman: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Forcetotem, Reincarnate, ShockingStrike, Engulfing Totem: Add Shock Totem: Overall number change
Bloodmage: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Enlightenment, Awaken, StealEssence, ThickenBlood: Add Bloodbeam: Possible slow to Siphon/Combust

 

[Irishman81]

Read up and for those not in the meeting, add any complaints/suggestions.

@Balance Team @Kainzo

 

[LordZelkova]

Necro: Remove FeignDeath instead of Becomedeath
I've never once had Feign be helpful, while becomedeath can be helpful for kiting in water.

My only real complaint.

 

[Irishman81]

Necro: Remove FeignDeath instead of Becomedeath
I've never once had Feign be helpful, while becomedeath can be helpful for kiting in water.

My only real complaint.

Feign is actually really helpful in pvp, if you time it towards the end of a fight, you can get the focus off of you, will especially help in a chaotic environment like factions. We can just have water breathing potions for become death.

 

[LordZelkova]

Feign is actually really helpful in pvp, if you time it towards the end of a fight, you can get the focus off of you, will especially help in a chaotic environment like factions. We can just have water breathing potions for become death.

Last time I avidly PvP'd, AoE's ruled the scene.
Has this changed? Or will the removal of most skills stop this?
A simple AoE can make Feign Death a waste of time, as you'll just pop back out right away.

 

[Irishman81]

Last time I avidly PvP'd, AoE's ruled the scene.
Has this changed? Or will the removal of most skills stop this?
A simple AoE can make Feign Death a waste of time, as you'll just pop back out right away.

Semi-yes. It comes down to better usage/location of feigndeath, even if it buys you 2 seconds it could end up saving your life.

 

[LordZelkova]

Semi-yes. It comes down to better usage/location of feigndeath, even if it buys you 2 seconds it could end up saving your life.

I guess, Worst case we can change these later.

 

[joshtsai]

New Class system for Factions:
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So 10 skills over all on both servers or just factions?

Other than that, no more gills means more reliance on water breathing, which can be good. The interrupt back on spear would also be good. Everything else looks fine.

 

[Irishman81]

So 10 skills over all on both servers or just factions?

Other than that, no more gills means more reliance on water breathing, which can be good. The interrupt back on spear would also be good. Everything else looks fine.

This is for factions only.

 

[Jrr_]

I'd rather see brand new classes with different play styles for factions

 

[Jrr_]

People are sick of the same old classes, why can't do we something new

 

[MunchlaxHero]

I'd rather see brand new classes with different play styles for factions

I realize this, but with the release date on factions we will not have new classes done by then, but right now we are already working on new skills and in the process of getting skills that can be used for new classes.

 

[Trazil]

I vote losing famine over battery, battery it really nice to keep your healers mana up so you can endlessly dakritual

 

[Irishman81]

I vote losing famine over battery, battery it really nice to keep your healers mana up so you can endlessly dakritual

@Balance Team I'm fine with this, anyone else want to add?

 

[LordZelkova]

@Balance Team I'm fine with this, anyone else want to add?

I can get behind that. I forgot Famine was even a skill. Don't think I even have a keybind for it.

 

[Trazil]

I never used famine, IMO giving the small bit of sustain for your healer is much more important. I'm not sure how I feel about become death though, I love that skill.

 

[MunchlaxHero]

I never used famine, IMO giving the small bit of sustain for your healer is much more important. I'm not sure how I feel about become death though, I love that skill.

Might love it for water breathing but is it essential, have a potion of water breathing and if it is that essential what would you change? It is not like we play necro so give us your opinion.

 

[Kainzo]

I'd rather see brand new classes with different play styles for factions

1. time
2. there's 18+ different playstyles already.

Now, you may see some major name changes to the classes to make it feel different, but the over arching theme isnt changing that drastically.

 

[Irishman81]

I went ahead and added the "base" classes and removed all the skills that we agreed on. Next meeting we can adjust the skill order and some numbers so we're good for release.

 

[MunchlaxHero]

New Class system for Factions:

Ninja -> Runeblade, Bard
Ranger -> Future Ranged Classes
Samurai -> Paladin, Dreadknight, Berserker, Dragoon
Wizard -> Necromancer, Beguiler, Pyromancer
Cleric -> Druid, Disciple, Shaman, Bloodmage

We also need to discuss Classes losing a certain amount of skills:
(Not including tumble or Tier two ultimates)

10 for Casters/Support, 8 for Warriors/Rogues
Casters:
Wizard: Current skills: 14: Suggested Removal: Arcaneblast, Blizzard, Firestorm, Port
Beguiler: Current skills: 10: Suggested Removal: Splendor: Add Chronophage
Pyromancer: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Cauterize, Flameshield, Doomwave
Necromancer: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Hellgate, Famine, BecomeDeath

Warrior:
Paladin: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Revive, Intervene, Disarm, Invuln, Bash
Dreadknight: Current skills: 11: Suggested Removal: Darkscythe, manafreeze, becomedeath, curse: Add Desecration: Add more magic damage to make up for darkscythe
Samurai: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Provoke, Honor, MortalWound, Cleave, Bash: Add some more physical damage to kit
Dragoon: Current skills: 11: Suggested Removal: Bash, Cleave, Impale: Add interrupt on spear
Berserker: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Toss, Frenzy, Bladegrasp, Bash, Provoke, Whirlwind: Add Throwaxe. Look into rebalancing damage

Rogue:
Ninja: Current skills: 15: Suggested Removal: Blitz, Fade, Escapeartist, Envenom, Shuriken, Blind, Grapplinghook, Deathmark: Add Shadowstep: Increase Kick/Left Click damage
Runeblade: Current skills: 12: Suggested Removal: DevourMagic, ArcaneTransfer, Sneak, Icerune: Add a slow onto voidrune/Decrease some cooldowns
Ranger: Current skills: 12: Suggested Removal: Maim, Camouflage, Gills, Aimedshot, Icevolley: Add RuptureShot: ExplosiveShot damage increase
Bard: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Sneak, Envenom, Song of Respiration, Drop the Bass, Battlesong, HealingChorus: Add DoomstarRequiem: Overall small buffs to other skills

Support:
Cleric: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Blessing, Courage, Wrath, Invuln. Add SacredGlimmer: Buff smite to undead/slight damage
Druid: Current skills: 15: Suggested Removal: Port, Gills, Bruteforce, Camouflage, RampartVines
Disciple: Current skills: 14: Suggested Removal: Alacrity, Ironfist, Safefall, Smite: Overall Damage Buffs/Fix quiveringpalm
Shaman: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Forcetotem, Reincarnate, ShockingStrike, Engulfing Totem: Add Shock Totem: Overall number change
Bloodmage: Current skills: 13: Suggested Removal: Enlightenment, Awaken, StealEssence, ThickenBlood: Add Bloodbeam: Possible slow to Siphon/Combust

Instead of the removal of escapeartist remove energize and lower stamina costs on skills.