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Suggestion EXP Wipe upon Ban

Acherous

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Makes sense to me. I think certain offenses should be exempt from this though.
  • Minor griefing
  • mem es(although this usually is just a mute)
  • and just other miscellaneous small things that are easy to fuck up on accident that I can't think of atm.
 
Dielan9999

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Acherous said:
Makes sense to me. I think certain offenses should be exempt from this though.
  • Minor griefing
  • mem es(although this usually is just a mute)
  • and just other miscellaneous small things that are easy to fuck up on accident that I can't think of atm.
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In hindsight, I do believe this would be the best approach.

Although repeat offenders for minor griefing should get wiped IMO. Those bans that last more than 3 days becuase of repeat offending (when each was only minor)
 
Acherous

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Dielan9999 said:
In hindsight, I do believe this would be the best approach.

Although repeat offenders for minor griefing should get wiped IMO. Those bans that last more than 3 days becuase of repeat offending (when each was only minor)
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Yeah, I meant more of people being exempt for things like that on a first time basis.
 
Rumblestikk

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Dielan9999 said:
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Oh man Do I agree with this 100%

Let me say. I don't understand some of the choices people in the community make. Mainly the ones that I don't understand are more of the people that have played on here longer. Some of our "Veterans*" as you pointed out test the limits of what they can get away with. While this might be apart of human nature, to push the limits, it becomes almost annoying on Herocraft.

I see the same users banned (or muted) for the same thing over.. and over.. and over again with their punishments increasing higher and higher in wait time, until they finally mess up BIG time and get a permanent ban. This tells me two things...

  • A) These people don't care about playing and committing to a decent server, they like to watch the world burn per-say.
  • B) They aren't afraid of the punishments dealt to them. They can easily go play League for 3 days, a week, maybe a month... and come back to everything... so what is there to loose?
Well as we already know, depending on what the user was doing reflects their punishment. Item duping, or coin abusing (Like the Casino bug in Dragon) will land you with a coin/item wipe, along with a ban. The same thing goes if you are caught using a dark room/illegal spawner to boost your levels, you will end up with levels being wiped and a ban to boot.

Now that I've explained all that, lets get on topic. The repeat offenders, and I don't mean ones that have a 3 day ban.. but the ones that hit a month or more need a more severe punishment. Depending on what they've done, a month is normally reserved for your 4th-5th ban if I'm not mistaken. By this time the offender should know better, even more in the case if the user is a normal "Veteran*" of the server.

Once you hit the month ban time, I propose a level reduction of 20 levels to all classes the person has experience in. Not only will the slap on the wrist be in place, making the wait the time out, but when they return their hard work would be slashed, making them work to gain their levels back, and hopefully less likely to have a recurrence.
Even a flow system like this could be used..
  • 1st Ban - 1 Day - No Level Reduction.
  • 2nd Ban - 3 Day - No Level Reduction.
  • 3rd Ban - 1 Week - 5 Level Reduction.
  • 4th Ban - 2 Weeks - 10 Level Reduction.
  • 5th Ban - 1 Month - 20 Level Reduction.
I think with this put in place it would deter people from breaking the rules as much as they do today. Don't want to have to remaster your class? Don't break the rules. Simple.

Honestly, It's not even hard to obey the rules. Herocraft was my FIRST multi-player experience. (Thanks yoIyo and BlackOhso) I didn't even KNOW what griefing meant when I joined the server yet here I am... almost 2 years later... and I haven't been banned one time. Sure, I'm not perfect, I know I'm not. I've had my episodes of anger and frustration, bickering fights in different chats, misunderstandings, some people even might think I'm a complete asshole and I've even been kicked from the server once for something I said, but never have I gone as far to push my limits with anything that would be ban worthy. It's not hard.. Just be mindful of what your doing.

Dielan, this has my support, 100%, 200%, 1000%. What about the rest of you in this community? Come-on! Add your thoughts!

EDIT - Forgot something... *Veteran does not mean you have been playing for a year or more nor is it measured by any amount of time, it means you are a frequent in the community and 10 to 1 know better.
 
xexorian

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Rumblestikk said:
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I will repost my thoughts:

1st ban / 1 day - nothing
2nd ban / 3 day - nothing
3rd ban / 1 week - 10 ALL SPEC level reduction.
4th ban / 2 weeks - 20 ALL SPEC level reduction. Loss of titles earned. Must remaster Path's.
5th ban / 1 month - 30 ALL *.* level reduction. Loss of titles earned. Must remaster Path's.


I would consider the month-long bans the star dot star ultimate offense. If they get unbanned and come back they must be on their last chance, and there should be no exception. They have had 3 chances with bans by that time, and they should know and expect this kind of punishment. Regardless if they have played for 6 months with no offense.

Honestly I'm sick of all the excuses I see.. It's unfair! This is not right! Etc.

Well, maybe you should not break the rules.

That said, I could see it setup like so:

1st ban / 1 day - nothing
2nd ban / 3 day - 5 ALL SPEC level reduction.
3rd ban / 1 week - 10 ALL SPEC level reduction.
-----------------------------------For normal players, ^ this is their bracket-------------------------------------
4th ban / 2 weeks - 15 ALL SPEC level reduction. Loss of titles earned.
5th ban / 3 weeks - 20 ALL *.* level reduction. Loss of titles earned. Must remaster Path's.
6th ban / 4 weeks - 30 ALL *.* level reduction. Loss of titles earned. Must remaster Path's. Loss of assetts, loss of LWC's, loss of spawn-plots, forum-ban, irc-ban, ts3-ban. etc.
------------------------------For players Rumble described, ^ this is their bracket-------------------------------
 
Rumblestikk

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This is a topic that has long needed to be discussed, and I'm glad more people are adding to it. Please spread the awareness of this thread. Keep it alive!

Dielan9999 - Call your herald team or something... Haha.
 
Techs_Rule

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I agree with ALL of this.

It bothers me when i see a banned player playing. Normal servers i have played on ALL when given a perma ban all PERMANENTLY banned. no if and or nors about it. It bothers me when players can appeal a permanent ban. for me this shows:

1. The server is lenient on their rules.
2. People can then get up to permanently banned, then wait a week or two then appeal and get back on with no repercussion.

The way i see HC now is, Hey i can break the rules then get kick out for a week then come back and not have anything bad happen. or OH NO i have been muted, its okay i have wait a week and be fine!in the mean time i will go play League of Legends or another game.

There needs to be a tighter up on the bans like what Xexorian and Rumble said. There needs to be a scaling factor. Like in Verstad, we cleaned out the "trolls" who where there not to really help with the town. We added rules where the punishment worse and worse (all the way to kicked out of LO). With these Rule verstad has really tightened town and gotten control of the people here and people now love living in Verstad.
 
thomasyeung9999

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I don't really like these kind of wipes and what not.
On the other hand as the thread above said
Techs_Rule said:
I agree with ALL of this.
2. People can then get up to permanently banned, then wait a week or two then appeal and get back on with no repercussion.

The way i see HC now is, Hey i can break the rules then get kick out for a week then come back and not have anything bad happen. or OH NO i have been muted, its okay i have wait a week and be fine!in the mean time i will go play League of Legends or another game.
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Maybe we can setup a jail for those who got minor ban
They will need to stay in the jail(online) for certain amount of hrs or days in order to be freed, so they cant just wait for a week and let it past, but the problem about this is u cant be certain that the player isnt afking. So i suggest to install a plugin, if the player isnt moving for 10+ min, then there will be an auto kick for that player.
For the major bans, i agree on an exp and money wipe, but i think to wipe out all the exp is too cruel, so i think admins should only wipe all the classes that the banned player had played down to lv20 at most, i think that is kind of fair.
 
Rumblestikk

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thomasyeung9999 said:
I don't really like these kind of wipes and what not.
On the other hand as the thread above said

Maybe we can setup a jail for those who got minor ban
They will need to stay in the jail(online) for certain amount of hrs or days in order to be freed, so they cant just wait for a week and let it past, but the problem about this is u cant be certain that the player isnt afking. So i suggest to install a plugin, if the player isnt moving for 10+ min, then there will be an auto kick for that player.
For the major bans, i agree on an exp and money wipe, but i think to wipe out all the exp is too cruel, so i think admins should only wipe all the classes that the banned player had played down to lv20 at most, i think that is kind of fair.
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We aren't suggesting a full wipe, just a decline that goes up to 20 or 30 levels max by the time your on the edge of a permanent ban.
 
Dsawemd

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Herocraft community loves to punish people. I still think that this will lead to less returns of temp-banned players who would otherwise become an acceptable part of the community.
 
Rumblestikk

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Dsawemd said:
Herocraft community loves to punish people. I still think that this will lead to less returns of temp-banned players who would otherwise become an acceptable part of the community.
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In this case its a learn quick kind of deal. The more you get in trouble the worse your punishment. I mean after a while of getting suspended.. they'll expel you from school.
 
Dsawemd

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Rumblestikk said:
In this case its a learn quick kind of deal. The more you get in trouble the worse your punishment. I mean after a while of getting suspended.. they'll expel you from school.
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Yes, but this is a video game and sometimes Herocraft community forgets that.
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