Zan's minimap - OP?

[Malphugus]

I'm a little concerned about the new feature in Zans minimap that shows nearby caverns/tunnels (where there is a lightsource such as a torch or lava)
Concerns:
1) spell dungeons (especially mazes, or ones that have hidden/concealed areas) could be solved more easily than intended
2) locating peoples 'secret' underground lairs becomes a trivial matter (find the general area, e.g. with the help of a ranger, then dig down anywhere near enough until it shows up on the minimap
3) locating caverns is easier - look for lava and dig towards it

1 and 2 concern me most. 3 doesn't seem too bad, just makes finding mineral-rich caverns a bit easier.

I'm not suggesting we ban zans minimap, i'd spend most of my time in herocraft being lost if that happened, but could there be some way to disable this feature maybe?

 

[Demonxman]

hrmm.... like a plugin that specifically disables that feature? or when someone turns it on it instantly turns off?
anything is possible in the digital world

 

[iHazBryn]

Maybe get zan, or whoever is updating the mod, to make a version without the cavemap, Or get one of the Herocraft coders, to remove cavemap, and post the "safe" version on the Herocraft forums.

 

[Howdanrocks]

I think iHazBryn has a good idea. I'm sure one of our coders could remove it.

 

[Demonxman]

I thought of that but how could you tell who has the 'safe' version and who has the original? and how could you enforce it when you don't know?

 

[Malphugus]

I thought of that but how could you tell who has the 'safe' version and who has the original? and how could you enforce it when you don't know?

Was thinking along the lines of asking the creator(s) of zans to make that feature controllable by the server - preventing that feature from working if there is a certain server flag set (If such a thing is possible. I don't have a good understanding of how plugins work. )

 

[Demonxman]

I hate the feature anyway... it all looks jumbled if you go into caverns...

 

[Dielan9999]

But I love cave map! I've been digging in two different developing undergound townships and it is very useful

 

[Darroes]

But I love cave map! I've been digging in two different developing undergound townships and it is very useful

Agreed, I haven't used it to gain any unfair advantages yet. It's been a great help in creating the underground section of our town though so far.

 

[Howdanrocks]

But I love cave map! I've been digging in two different developing undergound townships and it is very useful

This is EXACTLY why we can't have this. Hidden houses underground is now impossible to hide unless you remove all the torches every time you leave.

 

[Darroes]

This is EXACTLY why we can't have this. Hidden houses underground is now impossible to hide unless you remove all the torches every time you leave.

Could make the ability to turn torches on and off quite useful.

 

[Chaz8591]

It's been helping me find areas that haven't been mined through yet. I don't see very much harm being done with it.

 

[Danda]

Me and Trin have already brought this to Kains attention and he is debating about what to do with it.

But I love cave map! I've been digging in two different developing undergound townships and it is very useful

And that is exactly whats wrong with it.

 

[Kainzo]

Yeah we'll want the cave function removed.

 

[Howdanrocks]

And will the punishments for using the cave function be similar to that of xray or speed hacks?

 

[Airbus101]

how do I know if I have the cave feature?

 

[Doreagarde]

And will the punishments for using the cave function be similar to that of xray or speed hacks?

We don't discriminate between "better" or "worse" hax. An offense against one of our rules is an offense against all of them.

I've been abusing the cavemap feature since I discovered it, but in the light of the administration's remarks, I pledge never to use it again.

 

[whitemagehealu]

I got lost in some mines yesterday... The cavemap wasn't really much help :/ Had to dig up to get out. xD

 

[Malphugus]

how do I know if I have the cave feature?

If you are using Zans minimap with 1.7.2 or 1.7.3 then you have the cavemap feature (its in the options)

It doesnt give as huge a benefit as xraying (doesn't show ore) but clearly shows existing tunnels/caves (and shrooms) at your current depth if they have a light source (torches/lava).

As per doreagardes post above....I'm not turning it on again.

 

[Farroes]

am i the only one who still doesnt have this mod and improved chat... i need to get on this sometime.. sometime else.