The Tree Creepers encourage their members to exploit bugs.

[weynard]

Alright.

About a week ago, I found that my chests, which were stored inside a regioned room, had been emptied.
I lost more than 10 stacks of Iron blocks, more than half a stack of Diamond blocks, 1.5 stacks of TNT, more than half a double chest of Obby, almost a double chest of Mossy, a double chest of Arrow parts, all my Sandstone, food and string as well as some minor stuff.
The room in question has three iron doors as the only ways to enter. These cannot be opened by anyone but those on the region.
Let me stress this- No thief could have entered. The chests were completely safe and there were no reasons whatsoever to waste LWCs on them on top of the already installed protection- again, the chests were protected by the region plugin.
At first I thought that someone who was on the region had taken it, but a mod assured me that two TC members were the culprits.
What struck me as strange was that none of them were on the regions- and neither did I leave the doors open nor did someone else place redstone appliances to open them (the logs approve).
The big question then was how they got in.

I asked dmil about it, he said his guys got in because they were "bosses". (Note: This implies he knew how his guys got in and it means that he was referring to that self-same way.)
Needless to say, that didn't suffice for me.
After a lot of theorycrafting, the two TC's got banned for exploiting regions.

After a rollback of the goods failed, I was (and am still) confident that the goods would be returned in the end.
I am fairly certain nobody will have to suffer because others exploited plugin bugs, since of course it is glaringy obvious that nobody should pay for a crime that was comitted against him.

Anyway, I brought that up when talking to a group of TC's just now and instead of returning the goods they unfairly stole by means of exploiting bugs, I was greeted by vile and abusive language by c12095, dmil23 and TigoBitties123, who accused me of being mad (which is another breach of server rules btw, which mod bearcat99 let go unpunished before his very eyes, but lets not get too far into that, SHALL WE, lucky?), of bitching, of being a dumbass and of not protecting my chests suffiently.
None of them showed in any way that they thought what zdylann and itzmak did was wrong.

Dear Tree Creepers, apparently thinking of you as adecent group of PVPers might have been wrong. You failed to listen to the voice of reason repeatedly in game, so let me try to force you into making a sophisticated response, here, on the forums, before everyone else.
But first, let me show you in two very simple statements why your chain of arguments is fatally flawed.

a) You call breaking the rules, which you repeatedly do by using poop as well as other things btw, "being a boss". This, in conjuntion with your continuously offensive language, arrogance and ignorance can only mean that you are doing your very best to ridicule the server rules altogether as well as break and ruin the experience for all other players on the server.

b) I have every reason to "bitch" or "be mad". I wouldn't make a fuss out of this had it been me who made any mistake.
As stated above, my chests were thoroughly protected by the regions plugin. There was no reason whatsoever to do any more. What you are doing, TC members, is exploiting bugs and then blaming other people for not being able to prevent that. Can you tell me the reasoning behind that?

Just as usual, I have questions for every reader of this post to answer:
1) Do you agree with dmil23's statements?
2) Do you think that goods which were stolen as a result of bug exploiting thieves should be returned?

Please, everyone, feel free to share your thoughts on this matter.

 

[dmil23]

haha your funny and your not getting anything back

 

[Shortyy_oD]

I like your items. Just as always Weynard you will stay at the bottom. Obtain better protection for your items and don't cry on the forums when they get stolen. See you in game!

 

[weynard]

haha your funny and your not getting anything back

So, trolling now? I thought that was illegal too?

 

[weynard]

I like your items. Just as always Weynard you will stay at the bottom. Obtain better protection for your items and don't cry on the forums when they get stolen. See you in game!

better protection? Did you even read my post? They were perfectly protected against anyone who does not hack. There was no need for more.

 

[HollowSith]

<3

 

[WeeWoo1337]

TLDR

 

[weynard]

So far, all I've seen were TC troll attempts. Is that all you are going to say to this?

 

[WeeWoo1337]

I wasn't trolling, I was clearly saying to long didn't read. If you call that trolling you might want to look up what trolling really is I have nothing really to say to this only better luck next time.

 

[c12095]

Here let me add. You have heard what people say about us. You know what some of our more brazen members have done when they want something. Yet you believed that your room was safe because of a region? Clearly you didn't consider all the factors of people getting in, legal or not. Also the fact that the server wont return lost items. You were just gambling and lost big.

 

[Shortyy_oD]

Maybe you have untrustworthy friends....

 

[Aerokii]

Alright, I'll take a stab at this. I agree that generally I've seen a lot of antagonistic behavior coming from the TC. This is what they do and the reactions are what they thrive on. While I don't like it, the only time these two things matter are if they qualify as harassment, or if one could argue that they are not meshing well with the server. I think you'd be better off trying to prove the first, though I've seen others banned for... absolutely reprehensible behavior in the past that might lend credence to what you're talking about (check out Devon's ban, for a possible example, and compare to that.)

The second one is an answer I don't like nearly as much. When it comes to such things, the staff have generally said consequence, not compensation. I've had items restored after mass griefing in the past, but by no means is this a guarantee. My personal opinion is that yes, if items are lost or stolen in an action that violates server rules, especially if it results in a ban, then the items should be returned. If this is how it will ever work, I'm not sure.

 

[weynard]

Here let me add. You have heard what people say about us. You know what some of our more brazen members have done when they want something. Yet you believed that your room was safe because of a region? Clearly you didn't consider all the factors of people getting in, legal or not. Also the fact that the server wont return lost items. You were just gambling and lost big.

So you are admitting the TC exploit bugs regularly?

EDIT: Let ME add that I had never before heard of the TC but as a group of good PVPers, given that I was taking a break until some quite recent time. As mentioned, This first image turned out to be wrong.

 

[HollowSith]

Weynard, many of us have never exploited. Just because we have a member or two that may have doesn't mean we all have; much less encourage it. You post a thread accusing not just the " exploiters" but all of us in general. What did you think would be posted back? Most of us don't have the materials to even reimburse you nor claim the responsibility to.

But thank you, the more negative publicity the better. We are a group of "evil" players don't you know <3

 

[WeeWoo1337]

Weynard, many of us have never exploited. Just because we have a member or two that may have doesn't mean we all have; much less encourage it. You post a thread accusing not just the " exploiters" but all of us in general. What did you think would be posted back? Most of us don't have the materials to even reimburse you nor claim the responsibility to.

But thank you, the more negative publicity the better. We are a group of "evil" players don't you know <3

couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Aerokii]

Weynard, many of us have never exploited. Just because we have a member or two that may have doesn't mean we all have; much less encourage it. You post a thread accusing not just the " exploiters" but all of us in general. What did you think would be posted back? Most of us don't have the materials to even reimburse you nor claim the responsibility to.

But thank you, the more negative publicity the better. We are a group of "evil" players don't you know <3

I do think you might have missed the point. Weynard's title was inflammatory, yes, but the discussion goes beyond that, towards how the tree creepers act on server and a genuine look at the rules. It doesn't seem like he's so much asking the TC themselves to return the items. We all know that'd never happen. But it looks at how, if something is stolen while someone is breaking the rules, and they need to have broken the rules to steal it, then that theft should have never happened.

 

[weynard]

Since when does being evil warrant breaking server rules?

You are claiming that you don't all exploit, yet have I not heard a single one of you stating it was a wrong thing to do. What else should I be thinking than that you condone your members exploiting (be it to create a negative image or not)?

 

[HollowSith]

Every time he say's TC or Tree Creeper he refers to all of us. The one's responsible and the one's who aren't. I have not and will not ever exploit. All he is doing is starting a fight on the forums. If he wants something done about this, he should have PM'd an admin. By starting this thread he is taking a shot out at us and hoping the rest of the community will help. He can take his Tree Creeper hate and shove it.

Edit: It's none of my business what others do. I play for fun. The Tree Creepers are a great bunch of guys/ girls. And since when do I have the right to get in someone's face after they've already been banned about exploiting? Again. Not my business. This shouldn't be either, but your thread is malicious to all of us, including me.

 

[WeeWoo1337]

Yeah, really call out the 2 that did this don't call all of us out.

 

[Aerokii]

Weynard, many of us have never exploited. Just because we have a member or two that may have doesn't mean we all have; much less encourage it. You post a thread accusing not just the " exploiters" but all of us in general. What did you think would be posted back? Most of us don't have the materials to even reimburse you nor claim the responsibility to.

But thank you, the more negative publicity the better. We are a group of "evil" players don't you know <3

Every time he say's TC or Tree Creeper he refers to all of us. The one's responsible and the one's who aren't. If he wants to accuse us all then he can shove it. I have not and will not ever exploit. All he is doing is starting a fight on the forums. If he wants something done about this, he should have PM'd an admin. By starting this thread he is taking a shot out at us and hoping the rest of the community will help. He can take his Tree Creeper hate and shove it.

You're an evil group, aren't we supposed to hate you?