Texas Seceding Petition

[WoleverEntun]

Are you 18? No? okay then, thanks for playing!

It is a mistake to believe that anyone under 18 years of age has no possibly valid opinions. This forum is not restricted to anyone over 18, therefore I think anyone on HC has a right to state their beliefs/thoughts here.

 

[j2gay]

Where should I begin. If any of you want to actually have any idea what you are talking about message me and I would be glad to recommend a reading list. If instead you wish to continue regurgitating the same lies that have been so carefully crafted for you by designing men, please go on. They are counting on you.
In either case try to remember that you cannot end oppression with oppression. Fairness and equality are not synonymous, they cannot coexist in society. You intend to take from one that which they have earned and give it to another whom you feel to be less fortunate,through no fault of their own. You call this fairness. Please purchase a dictionary, I assure you they are very affordable and well worth the investment.

 

[HolyRane]

Where should I begin. If any of you want to actually have any idea what you are talking about message me and I would be glad to recommend a reading list. If instead you wish to continue regurgitating the same lies that have been so carefully crafted for you by designing men, please go on. They are counting on you.
In either case try to remember that you cannot end oppression with oppression. Fairness and equality are not synonymous, they cannot coexist in society. You intend to take from one that which they have earned and give it to another whom you feel to be less fortunate,through no fault of their own. You call this fairness. Please purchase a dictionary, I assure you they are very affordable and well worth the investment.

..what.

 

[Dazureus]

Oh, actually I get what he's saying, but the way he phrases it he sounds a bit like a conspiracy theorist.

Where should I begin. If any of you want to actually have any idea what you are talking about message me and I would be glad to recommend a reading list. If instead you wish to continue regurgitating the same lies that have been so carefully crafted for you by designing men, please go on. They are counting on you.

Referring to the Agenda of the Federal Government. Whether he means general greed or something more sinister is left ambiguous.

In either case try to remember that you cannot end oppression with oppression.

Oppression of those in the USA who are successful.

Fairness and equality are not synonymous, they cannot coexist in society. You intend to take from one that which they have earned and give it to another whom you feel to be less fortunate,through no fault of their own.You call this fairness.

That is, taxation on the rich that goes to things like welfare. It isn't fair in that rich people earned their wealth, and the poor people did not.

I think he discounts the fact that some rich people inherit their wealth, but that's a matter of the one who accumulated his wealth exercising his freedom.

Please purchase a dictionary, I assure you they are very affordable and well worth the investment.

Veiled ad hominem fallacy, or just a snark.

 

[Psychokhaos]

That is, taxation on the rich that goes to things like welfare. It isn't fair in that rich people earned their wealth, and the poor people did not.

I think he discounts the fact that some rich people inherit their wealth, but that's a matter of the one who accumulated his wealth exercising his freedom.

This brings something up, actually. Wouldn't it be easier to have taxes (some or most, I don't know. I acknowledge my lack of knowledge in this field) as a set percentage? Same ratio given, but those who make more money, technically give more money.

 

[HolyRane]

tl;dr legalize weed

 

[Acherous]

tl;dr legalize weed

Yesssss. Well I don't want it legal til I'm 21. That's just me though.

 

[Kwong050]

Yesssss. Well I don't want it legal til I'm 21. That's just me though.

oh please...if you wanna get high without getting caught and be gay (officially) then go to Colorado

 

[j2gay]

Oh, actually I get what he's saying, but the way he phrases it he sounds a bit like a conspiracy theorist.



Referring to the Agenda of the Federal Government. Whether he means general greed or something more sinister is left ambiguous.


Oppression of those in the USA who are successful.


That is, taxation on the rich that goes to things like welfare. It isn't fair in that rich people earned their wealth, and the poor people did not.

I think he discounts the fact that some rich people inherit their wealth, but that's a matter of the one who accumulated his wealth exercising his freedom.


Veiled ad hominem fallacy, or just a snark.

Not exactly, though close enough to make additional discussion prudent.

It is important to note that I am not a conspiracy theorist.
I do however understand that all governments lie to their people, it is inevitable. Equally inevitable is the tendency of every government to increase in power. As a government accumulates more power it becomes harder to maintain, generating the need for even more power; along with the lies needed to both acquire it and to disguise it. The larger the government the easier it becomes to disguise the lies, and the more necessary it becomes to disseminate them. I cannot pretend to know or care if this is evil or sinister, what I can tell you is that it happens. It is a repeating pattern that can be observed throughout the history of civilization.

This is not a new concept of my own invention. The people who wrote the United States Constitution knew and accepted this fact. While they acknowledged it could not be prevented entirely they believed that it could be slowed. By how much they could not agree. Some believed war would be required every twenty years or so in order for the people to preserve their liberty, some thought it to be nearer two hundred. What they all agreed on is that the preservation of liberty would require repeated wars. In the hopes of keeping most of those wars as wars of wills and words rather than weapons, they built into the system as many frustrations to the natural progression of government as they thought possible.

I could briefly outline here all the different protections they put in place along with the lies and deceptions used over the generations to remove most of them. I am not however going to do that, because I do not want you to take my word for it. You are better off researching it yourself. You have been taking other peoples word for it your whole life, it is time to start thinking for yourselves. Read the works of these brilliant men. Not just the documents you have heard of, read the letters, the books, the debate minutes. Read the works of the men who inspired them. The best defense against the abuses of government is an armed populace. This can at times mean weapons, however the armament of information is has and always will be more important.

Governments also have a tendency to change hands over time. The tools you create today to oppress your neighbor will one day be used by his children to oppress yours. The only way to stop it is to take away the tools altogether.

I know some of you are clamoring to respond with comments like this all seems a bit old-ish and we need new ideas. I would be glad to hear some. Unfortunately the ideas you will undoubtedly express (socialism/communism) are not new. Plato wrote them in his Utopia somewhere around 2500 years ago.
People really haven't changed much in the 7000 or so years civilization has been around. Odds are we won't change much in the next 7000 either. Let’s stop wasting our time trading oppression back and forth and talking about systems that might possibly work if people were only "better" than they ever have been or likely will be. Instead let’s take the wonderful system that was designed to work for people as they are, fix the flaws and exploits that we can find, and start again. That way in 200 years the next group that faces this situation can look to our example, and perhaps each time the cycle repeats itself the system can get a little bit better.

 

[Acherous]

oh please...if you wanna get high without getting caught and be gay (officially) then go to Colorado

It easier to get for minors when its illegal lol. I don't want to be in a place where it's legal til then

 

[HolyRane]

weed is literally easier for me to get than tobacco....

 

[Acherous]

weed is literally easier for me to get than tobacco....

The hardest thing for me to get is alcohol. I'm almost 18 and alot of my friends are 18 already so tobacco would be easy if I wanted it. If I want weed I can just ask one of my buddies to sell me some. The prohibition of weed makes it easier for minors to access. Oh the irony.

 

[malmenca]

It is a mistake to believe that anyone under 18 years of age has no possibly valid opinions. This forum is not restricted to anyone over 18, therefore I think anyone on HC has a right to state their beliefs/thoughts here.

I agree, it's great that he is getting involved in politics and see, but he claimed "I'm a US citizen so I have a say in a country I'm apart of." This is not the case. Until you are 18 you do not have a say in the country you are apart of. Your opinion is nigh worthless in America. Sure you can still effect change but not in the political scene. AND even when he is 18 (which isn't until 2020 (he's 10 y/o btw)) his say is very limited. American politics are based on a system in which we elect our politicians based on the assumption that they know what is best for us. We, generally, don't tell them what to do, unlike other countries political systems where the mass has a larger pull on the parliament/senators.

 

[j2gay]

AND even when he is 18 (which isn't until 2020 (he's 10 y/o btw)) his say is very limited. American politics are based on a system in which we elect our politicians based on the assumption that they know what is best for us. We, generally, don't tell them what to do, unlike other countries political systems where the mass has a larger pull on the parliament/senators.

This just isn't true. Unfortunately a whole lot of people believe it making it a self fulfilling statement.

 

[malmenca]

This just isn't true. Unfortunately a whole lot of people believe it making it a self fulfilling statement.

That's why it is true. We allow it to be the case.

 

[j2gay]

That's why it is true. We allow it to be the case.

But it is not what the system is based on.

 

[WoleverEntun]

I like what Canada's 4th Prime Minister, Sir John Thompson said:
"These Yankee politicians are the lowest race of thieves in existance"