Temporary Restraining Against TC at Airbus Shop

[dmil23]

As for what richfish said about the TOS we are not camping outside a town to kill a single player nor is his shop even a town (even though he has his own private region). I think another problem is the way he spent his money, instead of spending it all on a rail project why not hire some people to come kill us instead of making a fit. I still believe that there are a lot of things that there could have been done beside having staff say no pvp there at all until the founders come to a decision.

As for the "Following him around in Zeal verbally abusing him", I followed him and asked him if he wanted to bang while him and i were standing on a bed in Carnberriis shop in Zeal. How is that harassment? We are all just messing around but it seems like others don't like to and would like to be left alone and build all day but that's what creative servers are for.

People also need to stop stating the fact that we are targeting him. If anyone believes this nonsense then you should stop visiting this topic because 2 weeks prior to this situation we were at his shop every single day killing people there. It just happens that when airbus logs on and dies a few times it's a big no no and the staff starts banning and making rules for it.

Also if you keep telling us to kill other people or raid other towns, we have, they hide inside their town hall all day or hide in their houses. What is the fun in that if the sit there and tell us all to fuck off? We went to newerth, Shinkyoto, winterfell, Ironpass, New tempest, Spire, Shiroku, and all they did was hide after they saw us coming or we killed them. There is little to no loot now that people block off their houses. If you really expect us to leave his shop alone then you should take off regions for towns so that you are able to go in, kill, loot, and leave. This map has come to a point where most towns are 90% raider free so if you declare war on some town nothing happens at all. You can't get in, you can't loot, you can't kill. I'm pretty sure the only way to get into most towns now are using the sign lifts I had my trusty masons put in.

If airbus gets no pvp rules and a private region for his shop, I think ever single shop whether it's big or small should have no-pvp and their own private region since airbus can have one. Just think of how many shop keepers would love this since people can shop in peace and they can make money.

 

[richfish57]

Airbus' is outside Zeal. It counts as a town as far as I'm aware.

As you have pointed out, towns just hide. It's what I do. I'm a crafter with zero chance of stopping a group of 2-5+ (I dont know how many of you there are ) Players will run so your options for PvP are camping...or....You could go to a pvp focused server. You guys seem uninterested in the building aspect of MC from what I can see. Have you looked for a server that focuses on PvP? I dont mean this as a "Leave the server yar yar yar!" More just wondering. I have no problems agreeing that you guys are good, might you not enjoy a place where everyone wants to PvP? You might find a challenge too

 

[Dsawemd]

- 1 for airbus being unable to solve his own problems.

+1 for extending no pvp to include his shop (assuming the alternative is banning players who pvp a lot there, or restricting movement within HC of certain players)

 

[xpeterc1]

This is all my opinion: I have no authority in executing such actions.
I am stating my view which you may or may not agree with, but am pointing out reasons why.
-Basically a repeat from another thread.

The situation is beyond the camping and PVP, I see nothing wrong in that. However the situation I see is that Airbus is not doing a personal project, he is setting aside time from his busy scheduled (I assume you know his job is a pilot) to handle a server project instead . Organizing and managing the construction of the Railroad is no easy task, especially when you consider what is being done and the scale of it. This is not a normal project, it requires huge quantities of resources and a large pool of labor so that means a lot of time needs to be invested for it to be finished, you are delaying that process, this is a project funded by the SERVER itself from the taxes collected and was approved by the higher-ups which I am sure they want completed. (that said, you should understand why you should stay out of this and leave them alone)

I am not sure of how Project Leaders work but, Airbus is doing a server project and as an architect he is doing his job by creating structures that serves a purpose for the Herocraft community. Mods and Admins+ usually do their job with Godmode on to insure they are not disturbed when handling PEs. I am not suggesting that Airbus should be granted godmode because of this project but drawing the similarity that both are staff and completing a task that they are charged with doing, where mods handle the PE and architect construct, both should be doing their task if given with out interference or disturbance. I know that architect do not have as high as a position as mods/admins+, but why should PVPers have the chance to attack easy targets who are doing a job using taxpayers money beside easy experience.
What I am suggesting is that there should be a line of respect for people working on projects that are ascertain to be beneficial to the community and approved to use funds from the taxes.

A similar situation was when the Spell/Dungeon team was creating a dungeon, many times the circuits/redstone were grifted and it's a problem to fix. To rollback the grifing done does not fix redstone properly due to a bug in worldedit.
(the redstone is placed back. but does not function like a repeater will not pick up a signal) There were instances where random people have found the underground area we were working and decided to dig straight down to kill us which messed up a lot of the redstone placed. Once killed we had to walk back to the area from our towns and we lost time and resouces. Now a little disclaimer is that this was not a project approved by kainzo but I am merely stating that without some kind of protection on the project it is easily grifted which did happen to the west portion of the Railroad, but I am also saying that with out some kind of protection the workers have to deal with hassles that should not concern the construction of the railroad being built. Again this is a server project and should fall under staff related activity.

Resources should not be used to higher guards, the funds are finite because there is a budget. Instead it should be the used on more workers to help in the construction of the railroad. I do agree that you can kill people who are donating/selling resources to the project because that is outside of the railroad and is the player's decision how to give it to airbus, donating/selling resources is indirectly related to the work on the railroad while some kind of protection should be for those working directly on the railroad. Guards can't always be on hand and even so it's very hard for someone to stand watch without getting bored waiting for an attack that might or might not come. If the defense fail then once again the railroad team is back to the problem of having to stop till they get their defense back which might take a while for them to walk for a few of them. Then there are the material lost/looted and time. It's frustrating to depend on something that is random, defense is one of those things.
-I feel that saying that one should just higher guards is just an excuse for people so they can continue their assault, which is fine but this case is different because this is a fucking server project, you going to ask us to higher guards too when people are constructing the portal to hell area that leads from this world to the nether? or when the spawn was constructed as well.

This is a really low hardcore view but I am looking from the point that airbus is not playing on his own terms, he is doing something else using his own time and that is for the benefit for the community of Herocraft. It should be respectful to let him finish.

-this is only for server projects approved by the higher-ups and uses taxes as funds, that i am referring too, nothing else.
Personal projects is like creating a house or building a town. You are doing it for your own gain, like protection in a town is a gain personally when a railroad that connects different points will serve a much larger audience.

 

[Demonxman]

-1 to stupidity in posts

+1 to people who actually 'think' and can find actual reason in the admins decisions

 

[Seratt]

I sat down with Kainzo last night and we discussed this and a few other details. Afterwards, Apherdite and Seyton both agreed this approach is best. Please note the changes below.

2) Harassment on Herocraft Online is best defined as persistent abuse towards another player.

Examples:​

a) A player camping outside a town to kill a player is NOT harassment.​

b) A player verbally abusing another player, for any reason, is harassment.​

c) A player being killed multiple times is NOT harassment. Said player is welcome to leave the area or return to a no-pvp area if they are subject to unwanted pvp.​

I will go through any bans/warnings this week and investigate each. I will also take into account the player's interaction with the staff over this past weekend.

I'm sorry for any confusion the previous examples for Harassment may have caused. The wording did not agree with our original intentions for this server. There are only a few safe spots on this server, those being Zeal and town halls. Anyplace else is pvp.

I would suggest, as both myself and Kainzo have before, the community gather forces to help ward off any unwanted pvp. The staff will no longer involve themselves in situations such as this.

 

[xpeterc1]

2) Harassment on Herocraft Online is best defined as persistent abuse towards another player.

Examples:​

a) A player camping outside a town to kill a player is NOT harassment.​

b) A player verbally abusing another player, for any reason, is harassment.​

c) A player being killed multiple times is NOT harassment. Said player is welcome to leave the area or return to a no-pvp area if they are subject to unwanted pvp.​

s.

Shoulden't it be

c) A player being killed multiple times is NOT harassment. If said player is capable to leave the area or return to a no-pvp area if they are subject to unwanted pvp.

 

[Seratt]

Shoulden't it be

c) A player being killed multiple times is NOT harassment. IF said player is able to leave the area or return to a no-pvp area if they are subject to unwanted pvp.

You're referring to spawn camping, which is covered elsewhere in the rules. I simply quoted the section of rules in question. This section of rules will be edited for clarity.

 

[Shortyy_oD]

I am starting to hate the PvP on the West Road too! This guy keeps coming to me when I am trying to build and I have to recall to save myself.

I could have got the building done so mcuhe earlier.

I know this is a hardcore server, but the players keep on coming!

Your District 101. We don't kill District 101 members. And Dmil was just trolling Airbus in Zeal, we wasn't stalking him. You guys take this game way to seriously I mean really. There is no solid proof that what we are doing is "Stalking" Airbus or any one player.

Thank you for the people who understand the TC's point as well.

 

[MajorasMask]

Your District 101. We don't kill District 101 members. And Dmil was just trolling Airbus in Zeal, we wasn't stalking him. You guys take this game way to seriously I mean really. There is no solid proof that what we are doing is "Stalking" Airbus or any one player.

Thank you for the people who understand the TC's point as well.

I know, im not talking about you lot! Im talking about someone else.

 

[dmil23]

Thank you Seratt for posting the new rules of harassment for clearing it up. Also thanks to all founders for meeting up for this so everything should be more clear without anymore misunderstandings. Not sure if I should ask it here but if my ban status is changed where would I be informed about it?

 

[dmil23]

I know, im not talking about you lot! Im talking about someone else.

Me?

 

[Trok]

The Tree Creepers constantly ruin his experience. He is trying to do something to benefit EVERYONE. Not even himself. He doesn't play that often for him to successfully use his railway to its full advantage. I would go back to Crafter just to gather money to get it no pvp'd, like 10kc. I would so donate my time into doing that.

 

[Trok]

Oh and should I add in, this server isn't a PvP server. Its a Hardcore server. Something Kainzo has corrected myself upon. Hardcore means everything, Creative, PvP, whatever else you can think of-- roleplaying, etc. I believe( correct me if I am wrong ) one of the staffs goals on this server is to make this server entertaining to everyone, not just certain players that just want to brutally ass rape everyone and anarchy the world.

 

[Farroes]

i didnt read the whole post, but I will read it and possibly edit this laters but...

I would like to for-mention that I have only been to Airbus' Shop once, so I am defiantly not one of those camping his store.

This is a little extreme and very unfair to other shop owners in HC. Anyone in any town can be spawn camped for not having there bed in a no pvp zone, and as far as I know of the only thing a mod will do about such behavior is teleport the victim away so he can get away.

I have been camped non stop for 3 days before and got no help. Why should Airbus? This is very preferential. Lots of people have experienced what I have as well and none of them got a rule saying you cant pvp at this persons house anymore.

The shops of HC are meant to be pvp zones, its a hardcore server, if he wants protection he should get a town to allow him to build in there no pvp zone, or even start his own town right outside zeal.

Maybe instead of making this ruling, a rule that you can only kill someone 3 times unless they attack you first within a certain period of time (1 hour lets say), or just make camping shops illegal all around, you cant set a rule in place for 1 particular player. Its just not fair, its not hardcore, and its not Herocraft.

Sorry for the ramblin' its late and I'm tired.

edit: also should mention that what the campers are doing is douchey, but this isnt the right way to deal with it.

 

[vudani]

@Farroes seratt gave a ruling.

 

[Seratt]

http://herocraftonline.com/forum/in...inst-tc-at-airbus-shop.7253/page-3#post-48557

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