Smiths Are Overpowered In Regards To PVP

[iHazBryn]

The problem with smiths as its stands, is that they get the same armor as a dreadnight, and better armor than dragoon and samurai. Not to mention they can repair their own armor in PVP and eat some food and be completely fresh in the middle of battle. They get a diamond axe, that does the same damage as a stone sword. With enough food and repair set to a hotkey, they are virtualy invincible.

I would suggest, removing the iron armor or at least put a warmup timer on repair.

With the lag a good pvper can choose smith and take a whole team of dragoons. As I learned today.

 

[eisbaerBorealis]

This. Is. Awesome. I have never heard someone complain about a crafter spec being too strong in PvP.
If Smiths are overpowered in PvP, I vote we keep it that way.

Edit: How many is a "whole team" of dragoons?

 

[strongholdx]

Just 2, we were fully geared and had food, it's rediculus

Think of dragoons as Snipers, best to hunt in pairs rather in large groups, but not wise to go alone

 

[eisbaerBorealis]

Okay, one Smith taking on two Dragoons IS a little ridiculous, but it's pretty funny that you tried to make it sound like a Smith could take on four or five. Did it happen more than once?

Honestly, I don't see much to your argument at all.
#1 "same armor as dreadnight, better than dragoon and samurai"

• Yes, samurai have *lousy* armor. But the dragoon has almost the exact same armor as the smith. Iron and Chainmail, with one piece of diamond. Leggings for dragoon, chest for smith. This is a difference of one single diamond (or a .07 efficiency according to the Minecraft Wiki). Please stop using vagueness to make it sound worse than it is.

#2 "they get a diamond axe, that does the same damage as a stone sword"

• ...They also get the stone sword. Crafters get stone swords, too. I don't understand the point of this being mentioned at all.

#3 "with enough food and repair set to a hotkey, they are virtualy invincible."

• I think that with enough food, anyone is virtually invincibly. But I do understand your point here.

The main thing is, you guys have PvP skills that no Crafter has, nor will we ever have any PvP skills. Jump. Stone Skin. Drain Soul. Bladegrasp... Repair? I don't think there's any worry of having the server overrun with Smiths going around killing everyone. I think that the particular Smith you went up against just happened to be a good PvPer. If you get your butt handed to you every time you go up against a Smith, let me know and I'll sympathize. Until then, don't try to get a class nerfed just because one player bested you in a PvP match.

 

[iHazBryn]

He's killed at least ten of us coming at him with armor and food.

#1 It's still better I dont care by how much.

#2 Diamond axes are much faster than a stone sword.

#3 You can take down someone with a hot bar of food, You just need to be fast, But its hard with armor. Even harder when the armor repairs itself.

I'll admit, This smith is quite good at pvp. The lag is on his side, but hes still good.
And I do get my ass handed to me, On a silver plater, every time.

I think my main point is that a crafter shouldn't have the same armor and weapons as some warriors.

(If smiths gets armor then warriors should get chestshops )

 

[eisbaerBorealis]

Would you explain how diamond axes are faster than stone swords?

 

[iHazBryn]

Diamond tools are faster than stone tools.

 

[Shenorai]

Quit bitching. It just means that a Crafter class can actually hand someone else's ass to them instead of the other way around.

Either find some friends who are Smiths, or just avoid PVP. Bitches.

 

[eisbaerBorealis]

That wasn't a very clear explanation at all... Can you swing diamond tools faster than stone tools? And can you confirm this from somewhere? A diamond axe cuts down a tree faster than a stone axe, and a diamond pick goes through stone faster than a stone pick, but that's a damage amount, not a number of swings.

@Shenorai be nice.

 

[iHazBryn]

I'm pretty sure that diamond tools swing faster than stone. Just by eyeballing it ingame. And that what ive heard. But I may be wrong.

@Shenorai So you tell me to find friends that are smiths? Basicly saying that smiths are OP. I'm a warrior i'm not going to make friend with smiths for pvp.

Correct me if i'm wrong Kainzo, but I don't think the idea of the smith is for it to be a PVP/tank class.

 

[eisbaerBorealis]

But they're SMITHS. It makes perfect sense that they can have iron armor. In fact, it makes more sense that they have iron armor than warriors, because in a realistic game, the warriors would be buying the iron armor from the smiths.

 

[iHazBryn]

Realistically, a smith would have iron armor. But he would sell it, not use it. And he would not be attacking the town, he would be fixing the warriors armor.

 

[SkyMason]

I do fix the warriors armor in my down time of killing you guys
And I cant repair my own armor on me until im 50 so I dont wanna hear about that either
Either way JW Spec'd to be a Smith now

@Kainzo

 

[FuzLogix]

Yeah the Smith in question isn't at level 45 yet and can't auto repair his Armour, and to repair it during battle means taking it off - putting it on your hotbar and typing in a command - hardly quick and very unlikely to do this during a battle.

Smith's don't have much going for them, taking away their only defense would be a kick in the balls for a Smith.

Stop bitching about class changes every time you get your arse handed to you!

 

[jwplayer0]

I'm pretty sure that diamond tools swing faster than stone. Just by eyeballing it ingame. And that what ive heard. But I may be wrong.

@Shenorai So you tell me to find friends that are smiths? Basicly saying that smiths are OP. I'm a warrior i'm not going to make friend with smiths for pvp.

Correct me if i'm wrong Kainzo, but I don't think the idea of the smith is for it to be a PVP/tank class.

Nope, the only weapon or items that have increases in speed are gold things. Plus that doesn't matter since you can click it twice faster than you can swing it. The time in between hits is strictly lag related. With more lag, it takes longer for the damage to fully register and allow another hit.

 

[eisbaerBorealis]

Looking at the above posts, I have come to this conclusion

1) Diamond axes do not swing faster than stone swords
2) Smiths cannot repair the armor they are wearing
3) The Smith you fought couldn't even repair his armor even if he wanted to. Tell me again why you both got killed?

I'd like a couple more details - was Skyzzz using a diamond axe (irrelevant) and was he wearing a diamond chest armor?
Because I'm sure that .07 efficiency completely overpowered your IRON SWORDS.

 

[Blellow]

A crafter killed you, there was no real advantage in his favor. It seems to be starkly true however that this smith was a superior opponent. Murpy's law; Murphy was an optimist, if the worst can happen it will happen.

 

[eisbaerBorealis]

Murpy's law; Murphy was an optimist, if the worst can happen it will happen.

Unless you take on eisbaerBorealis in PvP. Then you'll just destroy him and get his stuff. XD

 

[Kainzo]

Gotta say... I love Heroes and the tactics it will ensue

 

[Faunherer]

Smith is kind of OP. Even if they are smiths, they should not have armor. Crafters are not made for pvp so there should be no need for them to have armor. They can wear a higher defence than two of the warrior specs, which are meant to be tanks if im not misunderstood. Smiths should not be allowed to wear any armor over iron because that already makes them better, defensively, then most of the pvp specs!