Samurai

[leftovers5]

For Samurai changes. Will be looking at this soon.

 

[TheMrLief]

I'd like one of the balance team members to check on how much damage all of their skills do, I heard they do incorrect damage.

 

[macura]

I'd like one of the balance team members to check on how much damage all of their skills do, I heard they do incorrect damage.

Mortalwound is doing too much damage on lower armored targets. It used to be this way but it was changed to that it went through armor, making it affect every spec the same. However something went wrong and it is dealing more damage than it is supposed to on targets with low armor and too little on targets that have a lot of armor.

 

[TheMrLief]

Mortalwound is doing too much damage on lower armored targets. It used to be this way but it was changed to that it went through armor, making it affect every spec the same. However something went wrong and it is dealing more damage than it is supposed to on targets with low armor and too little on targets that have a lot of armor.

I'd like exact amounts though.

 

[macura]

I'd like exact amounts though.

I looked through our old posts on the assignment thread and without armor it was dealing 197 damage, we would have to test how armor negation affects the damage because i remember that the initial damage that it was dealing was what caused the problem, and what was being negated by armor. Keep in mind that this is only broken on the real server, not the test server. What is also kind of odd is that bleed is ok on the real server but is dealing 30 extra on the test. So you would need to go onto the actual server to check what the damage with armor reduction is.

 

[macura]

Anyone else think that samurais deal too much damage and don't have strong counters.

Things that counter samurai:
Beguiler
DK
Paladin
Wizard (This one is pretty iffy because samurai's dots take out a massive percentage of wizard's health so they fight can go either way, in a fight between a wizard and a samurai any side could win)
Things that samurai counters:
All healers (expect sometimes clerics)
All rogues
pyromancer
necromancer
dragoons

Samurais have:
Damage of a ninja
Armor slightly better than bard
mobility of a runeblade
with disarm and bladegrasp they are next to impossible to beat in a melee fight.
In almost any fight you can get into as a samurai you are most likely going to counter them.

I think that lowering their base damage would balance this out a little more. They currently hit 91 with a diamond sword, maybe lower that to 83-85.

 

[c12095]

Samurai is tricky, I look at them as a armored version Ninja. I think they are kinda in the same boat as Ninjas as well right now. I agree they need changed, but I'm not really sure how to do that at this point.

 

[yoIyo]

I agree, we need to figure out a way to hit Samurai's without making them completely useless, as they are out "classing" most specializations.

 

[leftovers5]

They should be akin to ninjas with armor, not actually ninjas with armor.

 

[macura]

Anyone think that windwalk should only be a speed 2 instead of a speed 3? This would make them far less of a caster killer and hopefully establish something that counters them.

 

[c12095]

Anyone think that windwalk should only be a speed 2 instead of a speed 3? This would make them far less of a caster killer and hopefully establish something that counters them.

I could agree with this.

 

[Orangedude345]

If you reduced windwalk to speed two what would be the point in using it over a speed two potion? Speed two potions may take a second to drink but they also last for 9 times as long.

 

[c12095]

If you reduced windwalk to speed two what would be the point in using it over a speed two potion? Speed two potions may take a second to drink but they also last for 9 times as long.

Instant cast, able to be used in arenas, doesn't take a potion, did I miss anything else?

 

[faredX]

It seems Disgrace's damage on time is affected by the opponents armor causing them to deal less damage then intended.

 

[macura]

It seems Disgrace's damage on time is affected by the opponents armor causing them to deal less damage then intended.

I am almost positive that it hits through armor, have you tested this?

 

[Dsawemd]

Does Samurai need Disarm? They have Bladegrasp, Impermanence, and Windwalk to help them deal with periods of heavy melee damage, which is what Disarm does.

 

[leftovers5]

Does Samurai need Disarm? They have Bladegrasp, Impermanence, and Windwalk to help them deal with periods of heavy melee damage, which is what Disarm does.

No, they don't. Disarm, however, is somewhat of a template skill for warriors.

 

[macura]

No, they don't. Disarm, however, is somewhat of a template skill for warriors.

Possibly juat reduce the duration of their disarm.

 

[leftovers5]

Possibly juat reduce the duration of their disarm.

Not a bad idea.

 

[Dsawemd]

Possibly juat reduce the duration of their disarm.

I like the idea of making path "template skills" have unique characteristics for specilizations; we need to make sure that each final unique version is presented correctly to the public through wiki or in-game /skills ? info.