RADthechicken reloggs during PVP

[LuDDeDeKuDDe]

Hey!

I'm no master of English so to say but I'll do my best explaining what happened.

A couple of hours ago I was right about to swing my sword on RADthechicken when he saw me and logged out! I got pissed but thought I should take the higher road and leave it.

But just when I was about to leave I noticed he logged in again and popped up right in front of me. This time I hit him! But what do you know, he logged out again!

Now I got really pissed so I decided I would get it on tape and show it to you. So I started to record.

You see him relogg once like I explained above but the second time (for you) he tries to run. I'm hitting him but he is not getting any damage?[EDIT]When relogging you apparently gain godmod![/EDIT] So I run after him till he hits a closed gate and he logges out again!

I weren't sure that was enough evidence though, because of that I actually didn't hurt him.
So the next clip you see me trying to provoke a logg out after I hit him, and succeed...
(Even though I provoked him he shouldn't have logged out.)

After that clip I threw in a little bonus clip. Which he is killing defenseless mobs from a mobspawner...

Thats all. Hope he pays in someway
//LuDDeDeKuDDe

 

[GreekCrackShot]

Yeah I personally hate people who don't read the rules and log out during PVP a million times. The reason being is because when you leave and log back in, Notch (I think) made it so for a short period of time (like 10 seconds) you are invincible. people don't realize this and think logging during PVP will keep them from death and log back in thinking the other person has left. but in reality, it's creating a disadvantage for the opponent who has most likely drained that player's life.

This is from experience guys, it has happened maybe 15 times to me, all different people, past and current map. Not pointing fingers but, Acars came into Artemis on the last map to kill me for a 900c bounty, and I poured lava on him, and he repeatedly logged out to avoid being burned to death. after consent from a mod, we switched PVP in artemis on and he obviously logged back in after 5-10 minutes. I then proceeded to spam my sword at him with no result, he realize I was swinging at me, and immediately killed me. Basically the admin/mod reaction was: tough luck, move on.

keeping an eye on someone who is a repeat offender doesn't cut it. I have yet to see someone banned for this, yet it happens quiet frequently. And every time i have reported it, they get a "warning" which frankly doesn't make up for it too much when the guy who logged came back and crushed you with free items because of their temporary "God mode".

 

[Derelict1]

All I see is you being a jerk and harassing some noob. Go find something better to do with your time.

Also, even though it should be, combat relogging isn't against the rules.

 

[AudieMurphy135]

Also, even though it should be, combat relogging isn't against the rules.

Um, no. Logging during combat is definitely against the rules.

http://www.herocraftonline.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Rules

• Intentionally abusing glitches or game mechanics to avoid PvP (Logging out for example)

 

[Aesi]

All I see is PvV (Player vs Victim)... I dont think its fair to log out in a fair fight but when you arent ready for combat(ie building or farming something) and your just going to die either way, there shouldnt be a penalty for saving the items you have on you. If it were me doing that I'd log and stay logged for awhile. Also I dont see him using the log in/out to attack you, just to run away.

 

[LuDDeDeKuDDe]

All I see is PvV (Player vs Victim)... I dont think its fair to log out in a fair fight but when you arent ready for combat(ie building or farming something) and your just going to die either way, there shouldnt be a penalty for saving the items you have on you. If it were me doing that I'd log and stay logged for awhile. Also I dont see him using the log in/out to attack you, just to run away.

Wait what? In a combat there's always one who is better then the other and its usually that one who's winning.
Only because your not prepared for a fight don't give you the right to relogg (to get god) every time someone gets you by surprise . This is a hardcore server...

[EDIT]
Are you actually saying it's okay to logg off whenever you got items of value on you that you dont want to lose? Everyone going to do that then and be like "I wasn't prepared so I logged to save my items".. Its for getting those items you go and pvp in the first place. To be fair he was "prepare" he knew I was waiting for him he got away more then once he had is "killing defenseless spiders" items on aswell. Bah cut the crap.

btw trust me he was logged out for a long time after hitting that gate roadblock. I just got "lucky" stumble upon him again when walking there.

 

[LuDDeDeKuDDe]

All I see is you being a jerk and harassing some noob. Go find something better to do with your time.

First of all I don't see him of a noob and neaither to he: -I'm not a newbie to minecraft have he self wrote in his application. He got accepted may12 so dont come here from nowhere and call him a noob. Don't judge a book by its cover. He is a established citizen of "SSS"..

Second, It may seem like Im harrasing him by the look of the movie. But I didn't. These clips are several minutes apart, perhaps I toked it one step to far when getting that "provoked clip" but I needed good evidence which I think I got.

 

[R3xz]

Actually due to the simplicity of combat (running around in random pattern and holding down one button LOLS), PvP in this game is more luck than anything.

There's factors that determine who will win in a PvP fight such as
-who's more laggy?
-who's running in more of a random pattern?
-who's carrying the bigger sword?
-who's wearing more armor?
-who's paying attention and not busy building something? (aka Player vs Victim and not even real PvPing)
-who have spent more time in the mine like a no-lifer trying to get to lvl 100?

And let me tell you, many of these things have nothing to do with skill, running around in random, maybe a little, but otherwise it's strictly who's the first person that start hitting.

 

[LuDDeDeKuDDe]

Agree R3xz, but all those factors mean nothing if the target reloggs, and gain god...

 

[R3xz]

Yea, i agree that re-logging and logging back for god-mode advantages isn't cool. Not a whole lot of things ingame is cool, like people attacking you randomly and stuff like that. I would say it isn't something worth getting proof of personally, unless that person happen to be abusing it in every encounter you have with him over a long period of time. Plenty of users do the same thing, they just don't want to deal with shit, however, those that are strictly abusing it (aka doing it A LOT OF times) just so they can gain an advantage in PvP, should be punished by the staff.

 

[LuDDeDeKuDDe]

I understand your point. But you have to see the bigger picture.. Think of how the server would look like if this was accepted - people just being able to logg off whenever they're near dying...

There wouldn't be any point of PvP anymore. (If you want it that way I guess you should think of changing server)
And that is why it is against the rules...!

 

[Derelict1]

Actually due to the simplicity of combat (running around in random pattern and holding down one button LOLS), PvP in this game is more luck than anything.

There's factors that determine who will win in a PvP fight such as
-who's more laggy?
-who's running in more of a random pattern?
-who's carrying the bigger sword?
-who's wearing more armor?
-who's paying attention and not busy building something? (aka Player vs Victim and not even real PvPing)
-who have spent more time in the mine like a no-lifer trying to get to lvl 100?

And let me tell you, many of these things have nothing to do with skill, running around in random, maybe a little, but otherwise it's strictly who's the first person that start hitting.

That's not necesarilly true. Just today I took out two entire towns of people with gear and iron/diamond weaponry on my own while wearing no armour and I am only level 8. PVP is about using your surroundings, thinking one step ahead of your opponent, trying to separate your opponents if there is more than one by running away and making them chase you around winding structures, eventually they will separate and you can strike, and always keeping an eye on your health and armour bars.

To say it's just point and click is absurd, and is why so many people on this server just suck at pvp lol.

 

[LuDDeDeKuDDe]

Sure, Derelict we all have our different oppinions regarding PVP.
But I think we all can agree that logging out during PVP don't give the opponent a fat chance to kill him/her.
And thats what this thread is about.

 

[R3xz]

@ Derelict

You could be really laggy or the towns people could be really laggy, maybe a lot of people were going head on instead of circling or zigzagging around enough, regardless, first person who start swinging will usually win the fight. Not a whole lot of people survive a 4 vs 1, but PLENTY of people have killed 3+ people in short period of time while their back were turned. You can say w/e you want but it's not nearly as skill oriented than any of the other game i've ever played.

If you want to see skill, see a guy process 100+ action per minute in StarCraft2. When you put this combat system against some of the simplest game in the market today that have very basic real time combat and learning curve, the combat system here is like cake compare to what you have to do in those game.

@ LuD

Like I said, not a lot of people abuse this to the point where it's game breaking in the server. The rule have already made this illegal when caught, so im pretty sure RadTheChicken will be punished to some degree. But it's the truth, a decent amount of people have done it before, including me once, but I usually man up about it and continue on. I will take noticed however if I know a person who abuse it constantly, and I will try contacting the staff about it. If you see anyone breaking the rule, write up a petition using the /PE system in game.

 

[Aesi]

Sure, Derelict we all have our different oppinions regarding PVP.
But I think we all can agree that logging out during PVP don't give the opponent a fat chance to kill him/her.
And thats what this thread is about.

What you were doing wasnt PvP, if he was attacking back sure, it would be. But technically you were chasing him down and all he was doing was running away, therefore its PvV = Player with intent to kill vs Victim not planning on PvPing. Its just not fair to rape unsuspecting people, call them out have a fair fight for fuck's sake!

 

[LuDDeDeKuDDe]

Like I said, not a lot of people abuse this to the point where it's game breaking in the server. The rule have already made this illegal when caught, so im pretty sure RadTheChicken will be punished to some degree. But it's the truth, a decent amount of people have done it before, including me once, but I usually man up about it and continue on. I will take noticed however if I know a person who abuse it constantly, and I will try contacting the staff about it. If you see anyone breaking the rule, write up a petition using the /PE system in game.

But as I and Greek for that matter wrote earlier that almost always (from our experience) a /PE regarding this rule just wont do it. Admins/mods don't seem to care that much about it OR its the fact that it's hard to prove which I believe so I went and recorded it for the first time and suddenly it have brought up allot of attention...

 

[LuDDeDeKuDDe]

What you were doing wasnt PvP, if he was attacking back sure, it would be. But technically you were chasing him down and all he was doing was running away, therefore its PvV = Player with intent to kill vs Victim not planning on PvPing. Its just not fair to rape unsuspecting people, call them out have a fair fight for fuck's sake!

Taking people by surprise is like half the battle?! Theirs even a whole path designed of being masters of that. Heard of rouges...? PvV = bullshiet, it's still players v players only because one of them is the underdog dont make him a poor victim that have the right to relogg...

btw he tried to fight me but realized I was wining then he logged, when that didn't work he until now started to to run! So shut your pinehole...

 

[Brutalacerate]

In the future, send evidence like this to Staff. Preferably an Admin.

Listen up:

Logging in/out during PvP IS illegal and is punishable. I will be looking into this; locking this thread.