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Suggestion ninja's smoke handled better.

purenrgiii

Iron
Joined
Aug 19, 2011
instead of ninja's smoke making you disappear, i have a better idea. once used it would spawn a 9 meter diameter sphere of cobwebs that rapidly decay catch anyone including you with in it. at this point you can use backflip which would ignore the cobwebs or escape artist or use fade to really confuse your opponent . the last of the cobweb should decay after about 8 seconds. this gives the illusion that a ninja has thrown down a smoke bomb and there is a cloud of smoke that you should not run in to. it also makes it obvious that a ninja is trying to escape.
 
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Multis_Revenge12

I enjoy smoke as it is...Just a heads up, you can't backflip out of web or escape artist. Fade only works when it is dark as well.;)
 

MultiHeartGold

Legacy Supporter 2
Joined
Jun 7, 2012
So... you want to turn an invisibility skill that can be used to let the Ninja get near the enemy without them knowing where you are coming from or for escaping from a fight, into a skill that traps the Ninja in cobweb? Yeah... no thanks.
 

purenrgiii

Iron
Joined
Aug 19, 2011
sorry. dyslexia. since when is smoke invisible? the cobwebs are a visual representation or smoke.
 

MultiHeartGold

Legacy Supporter 2
Joined
Jun 7, 2012
sorry. dyslexia. since when is smoke invisible? the cobwebs are a visual representation or smoke.
Well, the current "Smoke" skill turns you invisible. And I dont understand how a massive amount of spiderweb represents Smoke, or how completely slowing the user of the skill down would help at anything.
 

macura

Diamond
Joined
May 2, 2012
It is named smoke because smoke can be used to reduce visibility like smoke grenades. Ninjas are masters of stealth so a skill that makes the invisible for a short period of time makes a lot more sense than a ninja running around shooting webs out of his ass.

Pay less attention to the names of the skills and more to their effects. Names change, effects can be molded but are rarely changed drastically. The effect of the skill and lote determine the name, not the other way around.
 

purenrgiii

Iron
Joined
Aug 19, 2011
the idea is you are caught off guard and are choking on the smoke as it has pepper and spices to make it harsh on the senses.
 

Dsawemd

Wiki Team
Legacy Supporter 8
Joined
Jun 16, 2011
the idea is you are caught off guard and are choking on the smoke as it has pepper and spices to make it harsh on the senses.
Ah so the ninja uses his deadly CuisineArt of Smoky Flavor.
Nothing catches you more off guard than a pepper filled smoke bomb! Except perhaps a melee burst class with 10 seconds of invisibility.
 

Archmage_Lloyd

Soulsand
Joined
Jan 24, 2012
Sigh... Firstly, smoke is a skill used to make the ninja invisible for a reason: Because the concept of a ninja is, you cannot see it until it strikes, hence the essence of smoke. Removing it, then adding cobwebs would not serve any purpose but to slow the ninja down in a fight (Because... oh wild thought.... Web's slow people :O ) And make the disappearance of the ninja (9 meter diameter - can't do that - it'd have to be 4.5 radius ... math aspect aside, lets assume 4 block radius) .... Making the disappearance of the ninja... not really disappear..

Furthermore, I like the idea you have of there something showing up when a ninja smokes, not really a firework animation like energize (which is sorta unstealthy imo) but like a 3x3 area of the smoke animation. It's flexible, but simply making cobwebs for 8 seconds in a radius of 4 would not only draw attention, and slow you down ( btw, backflip, jump, and velocity skills would not work here, neither does escape artist) BUT it would also more than likely cause your vision to be disfigured, AND you don't go invisible like the skill suggests, which after being slowed, you would instantly get mutilated by the enemy(ies) because you were stuck in there for 8 seconds allowing them to surround you.
 

Weikauno

Coder
Joined
Dec 26, 2012
Idea: for smoke, you must hit enemy with black egg attack(historically accurate, ninja throws egg full of dust, dirt and glass at face of the victim, so close range skill with range little longer than kick's range or something) and it gives them void fog(bad sight) for an amount of time. This is how the real ninja "smoke" was used(learned from deadliest warrior, really cool show).
 

Dsawemd

Wiki Team
Legacy Supporter 8
Joined
Jun 16, 2011
The wiki you linked to would work better as a blind skill, not an invisibility skill.
 

purenrgiii

Iron
Joined
Aug 19, 2011
true but i don't feel like tracking down the link but metsubish is also for smoke bombs. i'm a bit sick today.
 
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