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I propose a new guide/video that will help New players

xpeterc1

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Watching this video may be painful for many, as they will be inclined to yell at their screen when this person does not see the on screen instruction for choosing a hero.

It is obvious that many players don't read the instruction because they are not fimilar to a command line interface.

I am proposing that someone or I should create a more clear guide/video for players, the current one in the Wiki is cluttered and some of the information for players to get started right away is not really in plain sight. It is just a list of commands and without clear explanation to players, they might not be able to understand. This is aimed more of the 17- while those 20+ may have a general idea already or can figure out themselves.

You almost need to walk some of them through the entire process of selecting a hero and maybe explain the classes a bit better then the one line description. I will be gathering up common questions found in the fourms and ones that pop up in the chats I see to be included in the guide.

This will be a more forward instruction with short descriptions that will lead new players to understand how the world of Herocraft works. Beside a clear instruction to set up new players in this world, there will be the common FAQ which I hope to put up in a format that can be used when players ask broad questions like which is the best town and class or how does ____ work.

This is an idea for people to get into the game rather than get frustrated, putting this out I would like people to contribute what should be in the guide and video.

The guide will have clear table of context that will either replace the Wiki or made into a PDF file that will be presented to all whitelist applications to read when whitelisted. Sorta like here is a helpful guide that will aid you when you login for the first time in Herocraft.

For the video it should also be attached to the whitelist applications, don't make it a test like the Special Key but rather let is just be a helpful guide that new players can refer to when they need to ask question rather than consulting the O chat or Help channel to simple questions.

You can help by posting new ideas to be added to the list of TO DO
current ideas is the rules of the server.
-how to choose classes and explain the idea of a mastered class.
 

unknownloner

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Agreed. I had no trouble adapting to the system, but I've also been using text based commands since back when I played world of warcraft burning crusade. I can see how the system can be confusing to newcomers since it's mostly text based rather than GUI based like other things.
 

Howdanrocks

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I wanted to smash my head into the keyboard watching him do /hero path HEALER

GOD DAMNIT! READ THE DAMN MESSAGE!
 

Alator

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I tried to make the Newbie Guide a smoother piece of text a few days ago, have you looked at it since you posted a comment on the Talk page?
Wiki said:
When you first spawn, you will be able to see different rooms and halls with the various class information. You don't need to go down a specific hall to choose your starter path; they are simply there for information.

Wiki said:
When you have chosen your desired starting path, type "/hero choose <class>". For example, to become a crafter, type "/hero choose crafter".

Wiki said:
Notes

  • Type /skills to see what skills you can learn and what level you obtain them at.
  • Type /hero tools to see what tools and weapons you are allowed to use.
  • Type /hero armor to see what armor you are allowed to wear.
  • Type /hero help to see all possible hero commands.

It'd be easier for me to address concerns if I had specific questions people were asking, that would be a great help :)

I have no sympathy for the person in that video since he couldn't be bothered to read the text in front of his face, although I will try to get in to the starter area again to see if it is really that confusing.

I like the idea of a quick-help PDF, or we could just link the Newbie Guide in all whitelist applications.
 

Kainzo

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Feel free to make a new guide or video. To be honest though those that are having troubles probably wont watch a video either. It's the child like mentality that wont read to save their own lives.

A quick pdf could save some time if emailed with the whitelist acceptance PM's.
 

Alator

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A video would end up pretty long to describe all the starter info a person would need, and they probably wouldn't watch it all if they won't try to think about the commands. But if someone were to do it, I would suggest breaking it up as follows:

  1. Introduction to the command system
  2. Brief hero commands and path choosing (include the fact that they don't need to go down a particular hall to choose a path).
  3. Introduction to regions/permissions using Zeal as an example
  4. How to interact with Chest Shops
 

xpeterc1

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well from the study on users on youtube, users are willing to watching a video that is shorter than 5 mins if needed to, that's why you see alot of the "Web episodes" to be around that short. I am going to try and condense the information into a fast and brief description and useing examples to show new users how to understand the working to the interface which should be enough to get them started. After that maybe break the parts down to key facts like another video to show how levels and mastering a class work.

I like Alator thinking already and I am I am hoping more people can contribute to this clause to save dumb users everywhere.

To add, dont make it like an agreement like thing when agreeing to install a program, thats too long and you know that people wont read that.
 

strongholdx

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I've been thinking about making such a video or at least a guide. That way if its not worth their time to read/watch then they're not worth OUR time
 

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Here's a quick script I threw together. Tried to make it friendly and laid-back. Very short phrases and sections to keep the viewer interested and absorbing onto (hopefully). Very rough idea, don't bash it too much, haha. Just an example of what you could do. Lots of typos, meh.

[Video starts in newbie spawn place]
Hello and welcome to Herocraft! This video will be a brief introduction to everything you need to know as a new player to the Multiverse. The video will be broken up into the following sections: How to use commands, the Hero plugin, where you can and can't build, and Chest Shops.

Everything you do in this server is accessed through commands, similar to Windows Command Prompt if you are familiar with that. Commands are entered into the text box, and always begin with a backslash. [show example] The first command you will probably use is switching chat channels to speak. Herocraft has many chats, both public and private. But instead of clicking tabs in a user interface, you need to manually change your channel focus. For example, if I wanted to say hello to everyone, I would type in slash-c-h space o. The ch indicates you are giving a channel command, and the o means offtopic, the general global chat. [show on screen, type out "Hello Herocraft"]. Other channels you will want to know about are t for trade [show], h for help [show], and tour for a more in depth tour of the starting area [show]. Also, most everything has some kind of in-game help function. Typing in slash-help brings up most of the functions you will be able to do [show]. Since it displays many commands, it has been broken into pages to make for easier reading. You can see the page count at the top of the help text, and type in a page number after slash-help to go to that particular page [show].

Now, you see in front of you a wall of various rules. Read over all of them before moving on. Now, you are probably very excited to choose a class in the Heroes plugin this server is the home of. The wiki on our website has information on all the classes, skills, and commands you will see in this video. However, you can also peruse the halls around you to learn the basics of the five paths. Four are combat classes: Warrior, Rogue, Caster, and Healer, similar to your standard RPG fare. The fifth class are the Crafters, they focus on construction and the economy. [Walk out, start moving around] A common misconception is that you must walk down a specific hall to choose a path. The halls are just for information, remember I mentioned earlier that most everything you do is through typing in commands. [Walk around, showing the 4 path halls] These are the four combat paths, the crafter path is upstairs. As you see, they showcase what the path can do, and the specializations I will get to later.

Once you have looked at all the paths and made your decision, it is time to utilize the command system again. Let's say you want top pick Warrior as your path. The command for this has three parts, and it makes sense if you think about it. You are giving a command to the hero plugin, so you start by typing slash-hero [show]. What are we doing, well, we are choosing a path. So type space-choose. And what path do we want to choose? Warrior, so type space warrior. You should now have slash-hero space choose space warrior. Press enter, and you are ready to go! [show if possible]. The same goes for rogue, healer, caster, or crafter.

Out in the world, you will gain experience to you path for almost anything: using skills, mining, and killing things. Eventually, you will reach level 50 in your starter path and be able to specialize. The choices you will have are posted in these halls [show] or can be found on the wiki. Keep in mind, after you have chosen your first path, you will need to pay 500 coins to change starter paths or pick a specialization. Also, note that once you have reached level 50 and mastered a class, you can always pay 500 coins to switch back to that class at level 50. If you change classes at anything less than level 50, you will lose all experience in that class and need to start over if you desire.

Finally, you can use the commands /hero tools to see what tools and weapons you are allowed to use [show], /hero armor to see what armor you can wear [show], and /skills to see what skills you can learn and what level you gain them at [show]. All of these are path based; different classes get different weapons and armor, the attack and defense values of which have been modified to suit the Heroes plugin.

[Walk out into Zeal]

This magnificent place you see is called Zeal, at coordinates zero - zero. This is the place you will spawn in if you die until you set your spawn point with a bed at night. [Keep walking around, showing it off]. This place, and many others is the world, are protected with permissions. For example, if I try to break this block [punch a block, get error] I'm told I don't have permission. You must be 400 blocks away from the center of Zeal to mine or build. [Start moving out of Zeal, look up]. THis boundary is visible, you can see the ring in the sky marking where you can start to build. You will also see these rings around the map over towns and cities. Only citizens of those towns are able to build or mine within their regions, giving them some extra protection against greifing and intruders. Keep in mind, even if something isn't built under these rings, you can't just tear anything down. Only rare blocks (examples, need to look up to confirm) can be taken. Everything else must be left as it is. See the rules section in the wiki for more details on this.

[Find a chest shop]

Lastly, many people get confused about Chest Shops and what they are. Crafters can create these, and use them like automated merchants for various items. You see it is a chest with a sign over it. The sign holds all the important information and is what you will interact with. [Move in close to the sign] The first line tells you who is the owner of the shop. The second line tells you how many itmes you can trade at once. This one has the number [read number], which means you can buy and sell to this shop in groups of [number]. The third line is the Buy and Sell price, B and S. This is what YOU would buy and sell at. So, this shop will buy [number] items for [price], and sell [number] items for [other price]. The last line tells you what the item this shop is trading. Okay, now, you have to pay attention to what you are doing when trading with one, because if you mess up, you won't get a refund unless the shop owner is very nice. (double-check this next part for me) To sell, left-click the sign. An easy way to remember this is you left click to punch things, think instead that you are handing the shop an item. To buy, right click. [Show both]

Well, that's it! Our introduction on how to do things here in Herocraft. As always, use the wiki for more information, or ask in help chat. Remember how to do that? Keep an eye out for players with "Guide" written in front of their name. This means they are staff members who are meant to help people such as yourself. Good luck, and welcome to Herocraft!
 

xpeterc1

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Here's a quick script I threw together. Tried to make it friendly and laid-back. Very short phrases and sections to keep the viewer interested and absorbing onto (hopefully). Very rough idea, don't bash it too much, haha. Just an example of what you could do. Lots of typos, meh.

............. ETC ETC ETC !

Now we need a table of content so that they can browse it easier than present them with a wall of text.
 

Alator

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Now we need a table of content so that they can browse it easier than present them with a wall of text.

The newbie guide on the wiki already has a TOC, it auto-generates one when you make headings.
 

xpeterc1

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Since this hasn't been brought back up for a while now, I suppose I should begin on the video if no one else has started it.
I really want a more newbie friendly environment without them being lost once they get on, Herocraft is again unique in the MMORPG style theme that many servers are not.
To deal with the many new players that are involved daily in the whitelist, I am trying to get a guide that will invite them to be a more active person because if they are lost then it puts a bad taste to the server.
-then again like what many people might have hinted, they just simply dont read..
-maybe we need to teach them that first.
 

Alator

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Go ahead and make one! I'd do it, but I don't really have the time to do so and make it look anything decent.
 
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