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Griefing!!!

DanVonTrap

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Mar 15, 2011
Location
United Kingdom
Im fortunate that my buildings have not been griefed but many haven't been so fortunate and its not being taken seriously, it is told that griefing is a rule breaker and im sure its a ban-able offence, but when i hear all that person got was a warning or told he has a choice to re build what he griefed is ball crap these lo life idiots who get off destroying other peoples creations need to be dealt with firmly a slap on the wrist just isn't good enough they should be either 24hr banned or banned indefinitely.
 
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But what if they DID repair it, and never did it again? I'm with you, but you have to think of other possibilities.
 

Doreagarde

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Joined
Jan 21, 2011
Location
Canada
I addressed this issue in a recent thread, which it seems you read well enough to know what we were talking about but not well enough to understand what I said. I'll just post what I wrote here again, then, and what I was replying to:

Doreagarde said:
darkblunt said:
Thanks for the support guys!

And yes, although griefing is a bannable offense, it's rarely enforced I suppose. I just started a few days ago and some people were at our town the first night, one of them griefed some stuff and we actually reported it, but the Mod chose to give him the option of rebuilding it, instead of ban. I'm guessing that's what happened with Greek and multiple other offenders yet not banned.

Consider it like a penalty in the Criminal Code. People get banned for griefing all the time (a peek at the blacklist will confirm that), but punishments can range from a warning/rebuild up to a permanent ban, depending on the magnitude of the damage and the perpetrator's priors. No one gets away with a reported grief clean, however. Kain is watching.

Griefing is taken very seriously on this server. The punishment has, in every case, fit the crime.
 

DanVonTrap

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Mar 15, 2011
Location
United Kingdom
Oh yeah i read and understood it, i just feel people that do grief don't deserve to be on this server, i mean they get the opportunity to play on a dedicated server with 80+ people on at a time with no lag for free, yet these morons come onto the server and take it upon them self to grief other peoples stuff they either did not read the rules like they say or were asked to do or they have no respect for the server or the people on it so there for if they have no respect they should not be given it and got rid of they are a waist of space is my eyes and they don't deserve to be on this server.
 

Doreagarde

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Joined
Jan 21, 2011
Location
Canada
DanVonTrap said:
Oh yeah i read and understood it, i just feel people that do grief don't deserve to be on this server, i mean they get the opportunity to play on a dedicated server with 80+ people on at a time with no lag for free, yet these morons come onto the server and take it upon them self to grief other peoples stuff they either did not read the rules like they say or were asked to do or they have no respect for the server or the people on it so there for if they have no respect they should not be given it and got rid of they are a waist of space is my eyes and they don't deserve to be on this server.

Here, we're equivocating two valid but sometimes confusing meanings of the word "griefing". The kind of griefing that you're referring to, the one that gets you banned, is any deliberate action outside of the rules of the server that makes the experience of other users less enjoyable. This is most commonly manifest in the wanton, unauthorized destruction of structures built by our fellow players. Here, we have a guilty act committed by a player with a guilty mind.

Now, when I discussed griefing in the previous thread, I referred to "griefing" defined as the removal of blocks belonging to another player, or the placement of blocks in an area belonging to another player. This definition of griefing is identical to the definition you refer to insomuch as the rules are concerned, but it does not imply the perpetrator had a guilty mind, and it is therein that we are concerned with the offending party's criminal liability and their potential to be rehabilitated and become a contributing member of Herocraft.

This has been posted for the benefit of your understanding, DanVonTrap, and for the understanding of any others who might be troubled by what on the surface may seem an arbitrary corrections system. The staff need not explain itself; only know that we have always acted as a unit in these matters, and that it has always been for the benefit of Herocraft as a whole.
 

ForTehZZZ

Coal
Joined
Jan 30, 2011
This whole griefing things is awful! I once got banned from this server for 'Supposidly Griefing'. Seriously! I am not joking! I got banned because someone thought I was gonna grief somewhere, they reported it and I got banned. I am back now because I was actually a missunderstanding, but still...

People grief all the time! It ain't fair that they get away with it! In my view they should be banned or rollbacked! They should not be asked to repair anything, because I am sure they wont know how to repair it properly, making YOU have to tell them what to do.

PS: I did not even grief that area. Did not touch it did not go near it. Goes to show how crazy this stuff is.
 

Doreagarde

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Joined
Jan 21, 2011
Location
Canada
Are you trolling, ForTehZZZ? Or did you just not read my post? Nobody "gets away with it". I think I outlined the server's stance on griefing very thouroughly.
 

Kainzo

The Disposable Hero
Staff member
Founder
Adventure Team
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Jan 7, 2011
Location
The 7th Circle of Heaven
Punishment for Griefing by SEVERITY:
(least -> most)
Fine (small) and rollback of that area
Fine (large) rollback of that area
Fine + rollback of all blocks right before that date (This can result in MASS block rollbacks for the griefer)
3 Day ban
Perm Ban
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What more could you want?
 
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