Warning System? What is it!

[Shortyy_oD]

So time and time again I've seen my good friends on this server get banned for whatever reason it may be. However every time I see a ban appeal or I PM the banner, they tell me "It was there 4th or 5th warning."

However their last ban may have been 3 days or 1 week, which are 1st 2nd and 3rd offenses. Then I ask that and they say, "Oh, well that offense counts as two so it jumps up to a Perma."

The warning system is obviously construed to whatever perspective each Admin or Mod chooses. Every time I ask, the warning system changes, some people have as many as 6 or 7 bans before their permanently kicked out. Which is highly unfair to those who may have 2 warnings and 1 ban and then they get perm banned!

So, I am requesting a solid build or structure to be laid out and given to the public player base so we know what to do and not to exactly and what will get us insta-banned and what will get us 3 Day Banned.

Thanks!

@Kainzo

 

[Ginzuishou]

Instead of basically complaining about it, here's an original idea:

Don't do anything that will even have a remote chance of getting you banned. It's really common sense.

 

[Shortyy_oD]

Instead of basically complaining about it, here's an original idea:

Don't do anything that will even have a remote chance of getting you banned. It's really common sense.

I'm not complaining at all but simply requesting an outline of this system, as it is fairly unclear.

It is also clear that you didn't fully read my statement but rather reacted immediately to the first couple of words.

As well, it seems some of the community partly agrees with me, so it is not only me asking for this.

 

[Brutalacerate]

I'm not complaining at all but simply requesting an outline of this system, as it is fairly unclear.

It's more unfair that we should even have to deal with users who act immature and break any rule, regardless of how severe. Don't break a rule and you'll have nothing to worry about.

 

[G4M3R_117]

Ill agree, no ban system is perfect, personally I havent had any issues so far with the ban system but it did confuse me quite a bit when reading over it. I would like a simplified rule system that everyone can understand! Either way no system is perfect and everything can be improved!

 

[victim130]

Gin hit the head on the nail. Just don't break rules, problem solved.

 

[Oryinn]

If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'.

User has been put on every single watchlist possible.
Error: User is already on all watchlists.

 

[lucky644]

Depending on the severity of the infraction, the level of warning is selected.

Obviously 1 warning level isn't enough for someone who hacks/exploits the game, but it's enough for someone who makes a minor infraction such as spamming chat or griefing.

People who exploit/hack generally get escalated to a high level, if not permabanned outright.

Bottom line, you shouldn't be concerned on the warning level, you should be concerned about not breaking the rules and earning any warnings.

Pretty simple.

 

[Shortyy_oD]

Instead of telling people to, "Suck it up and don't do bad things." Why wont you answer the community? It's becoming clear that there is not system of warnings but it's just an excuse to ban people on a first reaction rather than follow guidelines of some sort. A way to justify your self for banning people you may not like or letting some slide because you like them etc.

 

[victim130]

Actually Shorty, its more of a "We don't like repeating ourselves" Read the rules and understand them. I see nothing unclear in them myself, so nor should you.

 

[Shortyy_oD]

Actually Shorty, its more of a "We don't like repeating ourselves" Read the rules and understand them. I see nothing unclear in them myself, so nor should you.

I was not asking you anything, I find you particularly annoying and think of you as a harasser. Please leave me alone. I am not acknowledging you or your feedback.

 

[victim130]

You don't have to acknowledge me if you don't want to, but now I at least have rights to say "I told you so" whether or not you care for my post or not and I will leave with that.

 

[Neotetro]

I am requesting a solid build or structure to be laid out and given to the public player base so we know what to do and not to exactly and what will get us insta-banned and what will get us 3 Day Banned.

Not breaking the rules = Not getting warned or banned.

Warnings should not be an excuse to do do little infractions and exploit the system. As far as I know, warnings are jotted down and kept in record, and if the admins feel someone is unfit to play on their server, it's up to them.

The warning system is obviously construed to whatever perspective each Admin or Mod chooses.

As it should be, they are after all, admins and mods. They have been selected and put in power because Kain feels their judgement is for the best of the server. If you stay on good terms with the staff, which is easy, then you don't have to worry about warped perspectives.

In the end, it comes down to wanting to obey the rules and benefit the community, not finding loopholes and seeing what you can do before you get punished.

 

[lucky644]

People who poke around and push the limits, generally get their fingers slammed in the door.

 

[ADaringEnchilada]

Instead of telling people to, "Suck it up and don't do bad things." Why wont you answer the community? It's becoming clear that there is not system of warnings but it's just an excuse to ban people on a first reaction rather than follow guidelines of some sort. A way to justify your self for banning people you may not like or letting some slide because you like them etc.

I believe the adminstration has answered the community, preemptively actually, by posting a warning guideline up on the wiki:

Warnings will be given for any infringement as follows.
First warning: Player receives a warning.
Second warning: Player receives a 3-day suspension.
Third warning: Player receives a 1-week suspension.
Fourth warning: Player receives a 1-month suspension.
Fifth warning: Player receives a permanent ban and is unwhitelisted.
Player's character is completely wiped. This includes, but is not limited to, in-game coin and experience.
Any title's gained will be reset. Any donations made will become null.
Player will only have access to Herocraft basic forums.
Player will no longer be allowed on Herocraft teamspeak. Any player who converses with banned player on Herocraft teamspeak is subject to disciplinary action.

Now, I could see someone having some confusion, seeing friends banned left and right, for reasons an individual may perceive as unfair, or perhaps hypocritical and even so far as to say unduly harsh. However, even the dull will come to realize that the level of severity varies depending on the type and degree of the infraction, thus appropriate measures will be taken to account for the varying types and degrees of criminal activity (as defined per server rules) and appropriate disciplinary action will be taken.

Thus, them placing people on different warning levels, at either an accelerated or decelerated rate, is justifiable because of varying types and degrees of infraction.

 

[lucky644]

I believe the adminstration has answered the community, preemptively actually, by posting a warning guideline up on the wiki:

Warnings will be given for any infringement as follows.
First warning: Player receives a warning.
Second warning: Player receives a 3-day suspension.
Third warning: Player receives a 1-week suspension.
Fourth warning: Player receives a 1-month suspension.
Fifth warning: Player receives a permanent ban and is unwhitelisted.
Player's character is completely wiped. This includes, but is not limited to, in-game coin and experience.
Any title's gained will be reset. Any donations made will become null.
Player will only have access to Herocraft basic forums.
Player will no longer be allowed on Herocraft teamspeak. Any player who converses with banned player on Herocraft teamspeak is subject to disciplinary action.

Now, I could see someone having some confusion, seeing friends banned left and right, for reasons an individual may perceive as unfair, or perhaps hypocritical and even so far as to say unduly harsh. However, even the dull will come to realize that the level of severity varies depending on the type and degree of the infraction, thus appropriate measures will be taken to account for the varying types and degrees of criminal activity (as defined per server rules) and appropriate disciplinary action will be taken.

Thus, them placing people on different warning levels, at either an accelerated or decelerated rate, is justifiable because of varying types and degrees of infraction.

Aka doing bad stuff gets you banned, doing worse stuff gets you banned faster.

 

[c12095]

Just a question on the topic of warnings. When a player receives a warning, are they told about this in game when it happens?

 

[Darkdragon]

I was not asking you anything, I find you particularly annoying and think of you as a harasser. Please leave me alone. I am not acknowledging you or your feedback.

I've got to agree with you here. Seems pointless to keep a rule system so secret.

Knowing it's gonna be the first warn isn't going to cause people to break some rules; everyone with sense knows that minor griefing will be BB'ed back, or just fixed by the player. Major griefing will result in a BB and a ban.

No need to be so hostile towards curiosity.

 

[Seratt]

So time and time again I've seen my good friends on this server get banned for whatever reason it may be. However every time I see a ban appeal or I PM the banner, they tell me "It was there 4th or 5th warning."

However their last ban may have been 3 days or 1 week, which are 1st 2nd and 3rd offenses. Then I ask that and they say, "Oh, well that offense counts as two so it jumps up to a Perma." This is called staff discretion. Everything is documented, and I view all bans/escalations.

The warning system is obviously construed to whatever perspective each Admin or Mod chooses. Again, everything is documented. If someone was warned/escalated, you can be assured it has my blessing. Every time I ask, the warning system changes The warning system has been revised once since implemented, some people have as many as 6 or 7 bans before their permanently kicked out This is untrue.. Which is highly unfair to those who may have 2 warnings and 1 ban and then they get perm banned! They must have done something bad to be escalated that far.

So, I am requesting a solid build or structure to be laid out and given to the public player base so we know what to do and not to exactly and what will get us insta-banned and what will get us 3 Day Banned. Common sense already dictates this.

Thanks!

@Kainzo

The only staff who can escalate are admins and founders, all of which are highly trusted individuals.

You must realize, the majority of our player base have never received a warning.

 

[Shortyy_oD]

Thank you to those who gave me informational feedback. I appreciate it. Also, thank you for posting the warning system as I had never even seen it listed.

My questions are answered, see you all in HC!