Vongard's ban appeal

[Vongard]

IGN: Vongard
Banned By:Angyles
Time of Ban: 2/23/2013 2:50 pm CST
Reason for ban: "Griefing"
Your story:
You can read my story here: http://www.herocraftonline.com/main/threads/rule-change-greifing.32817/#post-286286

These rules were posted on my ban message:

• Breaking into any regioned areas otherwise impossible to enter.
• Destroying blocks in another player's structure.
  • Destroying blocks above chests in un-regioned areas is acceptable.
  • Destroying blocks in pursuit of another player is acceptable if the exact blocks are replaced.
  • Plants must be left in a position where they will regrow to their original state.
• Mindlessly destroying the landscape.
• Placing blocks in or around a structure which you do not own.
• Leaving abusive messages in any form.
• Teleporting group members to your person and engaging in hostile actions against said group members.

Xfuze or whomever placed that bridge griefed me, i simply removed a greif outside my region. Also Xfuze has not been online, so either Danda or Angyles just decided to ban me with no greifing report which is not how greifing is usually done, usually it must be reported.

I would like to ask that Angyles and Danda do not review my post because both of them have some type of grudge against me.

Alator could you please review my ban appeal as you seem to be the only other currently active admin.

I did not break an entire structure i broke the blocks needed so that i could have the view i had before the grief occurred. The person whom should have been offended by the "Griefing" was not the one who pe'ed my "Grief". Danda went out of his way to pe and then have Angyles ban me without consulting the player whom had made it, FuzLogix has said himself in his post on my suggestion's thread that he would not have minded me removing the bridge. If the player who made it was not offended i do not see how this could be considered griefing.

Thank you for your time.

FuzLogix please tell me, do you personally find me breaking the bridge outside my house griefing in any way? Would you have personally reported it?

Kainzo

Rage below:
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Angyles It doesnt get in the way? you tracked down and banned me for a grief which was NEVER REPORTED

Angyles Please tell me, who reported it. danda?

Danda you literally went out of your way to ban me, i bet you if you talk to fuzlogic he wont give two shits. Please tell me, how many times have you personally pe'ed a grief and banned the player whom did it for TWO WEEKS. You are in teamspeak with Angyles and literally planned it so that you could pe this "grief" and she could ban me for it. this is ridiculous.

Angyles Yes, my previous "Grief" being a pvp logging hole i intended to fill until i got camped by like 3 guys.

Danda Lenient???? I shouldn't have been banned at all!!!! YOU are the one who pe'ed it and Angyles whom is in your teamspeak is the one who banned me. You two literally each did half of the work so that it wouldn't look bad. You are abusing the fact that you are both friends and have staff positions and not allowing any other staff members to review cases before you ban. You two have literally made yourselves judge, jury and executioner. What ever you say goes no exceptions. You are skipping the main point of this which is the fact that You and I both know you aren't supposed to ban me unless the player who made the structure pe's it himself.

Angyles that is another point i would love to get to. My first ban listed was for a week. The chart clearly lists that i should have been simply warned for that instance not straight out banned. I never had recived any other warnings or bans before that instance yet my first ban was for a week before any warnings. Danda broke the rules he just listed by banning me for a week before.

Also is it not amazing that i have had nothing on my record until Angyles came along. The first day i started playing again Angyles said to my face she didn't like me. Since then every single ban/mute/warning has come from one of you two, nobody else has a problem with me.

Danda if a warning was not sufficient then please explain to me why Liqwids whom got banned for the exact same Exploit at the exact same time got banned for 3 days but i got banned for a week.

 

[Angyles]

I banned you per the instructions of Danda. Clearly I have a grudge against you which is why I did not ban you for two weeks prior during another griefing incident. Totally makes sense. I may not like you, and I know the feelings are mutual, but that does not get in the way of my job and I am offended you even suggest it.

Vongard - It actually was reported so and I have a petition number for it.

 

[Danda]

Xfuze or whomever placed that bridge griefed me, i simply removed a greif outside my region. Also Xfuze has not been online, so either Danda or Angyles just decided to ban me with no greifing report which is not how greifing is usually done, usually it must be reported.

So after talking to me about your concerns and me telling you that what he did was legal and for you not to destroy it. You then tell me that you are going to go and destroy the road anyway after I told you not to. Why on earth would I not check up on this?

 

[Angyles]

The ban is listed as two weeks because of your prior history and prior bans. If this was a first offence it would have been a three day ban according to instructions I am given by the Admins.

 

[Danda]

Danda you literally went out of your way to ban me, i bet you if you talk to fuzlogic he wont give two shits. Please tell me, how many times have you personally pe'ed a grief and banned the player whom did it for TWO WEEKS.

It is not just the fact that you griefed it is that you even talked to me about it and I told you NOT to do it. Also if I had followed the exact rules and guidelines for warning levels and suspensions you would currently be banned for a month considering your last suspension was for a week.

Enforcement

6 Warnings will be given for any infringement as follows.​

6.1 First warning: Player receives a warning.​

6.2 Second warning: Player receives a 3-day suspension.​

6.3 Third warning: Player receives a 1-week suspension.​

6.4 Fourth warning: Player receives a 1-month suspension.​

6.5 Fifth warning: Player receives a permanent ban.​

If anything I am being lenient here. The fact of the matter is that you went ahead and broke server rules after a Staff member had already told you not to do it as your actions would be illegal.

 

[Angyles]

Angyles Yes, my previous "Grief" being a pvp logging hole i intended to fill until i got camped by like 3 guys.

Yes, previous grief which should have been two weeks, but I convinved Danda to let you off with a WARNING only. You have other infractions on your file, which includes the exploiting which you were banned for a week for.

The infractions add up, they do not count as separate issues.

 

[Danda]

Danda Lenient???? I shouldn't have been banned at all!!!! YOU are the one who pe'ed it and Angyles whom is in your teamspeak is the one who banned me. You two literally each did half of the work so that it wouldn't look bad. You are abusing the fact that you are both friends and have staff positions and not allowing any other staff members to review cases before you ban. You two have literally made yourselves judge, jury and executioner. What ever you say goes no exceptions. You are skipping the main point of this which is the fact that You and I both know you aren't supposed to ban me unless the player who made the structure pe's it himself.

I would have dealt with the whole incident myself had I not already been working on other projects for the server. I asked Angyles to handle the situation because I already had my hands full with something else.

My first ban listed was for a week. The chart clearly lists that i should have been simply warned for that instance not straight out banned. I never had recived any other warnings or bans before that instance yet my first ban was for a week before any warnings.

You were not straight out banned and you had received warnings before that suspension. Not to mention that ban was for you abusing an exploit I had told you not to use not 30 minutes before hand. A simple warning for that would not have been sufficient punishment for the action not to mention at the time you agreed with my decision and said it was fair.

You are skipping the main point of this which is the fact that You and I both know you aren't supposed to ban me unless the player who made the structure pe's it himself.

I'm sorry can you find me the place in the rules that states this?
Griefing is still griefing it doesn't matter if it was the owner or not that petitioned it.

 

[Angyles]

Wait I am confused. You stated this:

You are skipping the main point of this which is the fact that You and I both know you aren't supposed to ban me unless the player who made the structure pe's it himself.

Where the hell is that in the rules? I have never ever seen this and we get petitions from random people all the time. Are we supposed to ignore them? 0_o

 

[Danda]

Danda if a warning was not sufficient then please explain to me why Liqwids whom got banned for the exact same Exploit at the exact same time got banned for 3 days but i got banned for a week.

Because he didn't even have a previous record where as you had previously been warned for other offences.