Stealing while on Region Is killing this server

[Dsawemd]

I do not believe this to be an understatement.
I am not saying that this server will not continue to work, or generate sufficient revenue through donations of money and admins/coders valuable time.
I believe that the people who have been here as long as me and much longer, the people who have put the most into this server, are being driven out by those who have nothing to lose (the new players) or by those who have been given multiple chances after exploiting and griefing (the worst of the TC and others).

I will leave here, for others to discuss and add on to, my negative experiences with towns on this server. I have a great time outside of town politics and I love this servers plugins and most everything else.

I was a member of Jericho. We were a town, then a city, then a capital. We had an amazing group of people, pvpers (I think bisu_ never actually lost a fight) and builders (anyone who saw our town hall couldn't deny smash26t his architects title). Our capital was decimated in a matter of days by traitors, new players who didn't care for the consequences of griefing (they griefed my house multiple times as they killed the town, I pe'd, it was replaced and they took it again).

I joined D101 recently, and was impressed by their security and the seniority of their leadership. I haven't spent much time in town, I was pouring time into my zeal plot and now my computer won't charge, but now our security has been compromised by traitors (again, new accounts) and neo is considering drastic options, including leaving the server.

Jericho is a series of admin created craters, a blight on the map.
Smash26t. Anonymiter. Photoras. DrunkenmasterBa. XxShredsxx. Aaronpinto. Soulcrusher0. many noobs who joined and immediately had their trust betrayed.

They are gone.

Most of jericho's survivors left to join TC. The cycle continues and maybe the server won't die but the community is changing, and important long standing members are finding out that maybe they aren't as important as they thought.

D101? Neotetro? Are they next?
Is this what we want?

 

[MajorasMask]

Agreed 100%.

I bet by the end of tomorrow this thread will be locked due to mass trolling due to SOME individuals that don't like others complaining about how they own the social system around here.

Yeah, you're 100% right Dsawemd.

In the past of Herocraft you could grief just a few blocks in the wildy and get banned for it. I have had this happen to me before.

People were scared to go out and remove blocks without 100% permission due to being banned, I know many people that were.

Now? I have seen players go and chop down/burn my trees I have. HUGE MAN MADE TREES folks, not saplings and bonemeal, huge structures. Seriously? Why do they do it.

In terms of rule breaking, yeah. Many do it. Many log off during PvP, hack, exploit, corrupt rule systems and blackmouth others in /ch o. I can recall many recent times when some of this has been thrown in the trash by admins. Why? The players that did the crimes.

There is a certain group of players on this server that have control over what they do and what is done about it. They are obviously the TC. I once complained about them in /ch o about how they had a high chance of hacks being used after my hidden chests were emptied. Guess what happened? No support from normal players. Guess what happened? They started spamming how I was crying and raging, treating me like a kid (which is very strange considering how old they are). I lost control over the conversation and all normal players turned against me and joined with the TC. Great.

At the end of it, it was just a spam fest of players shouting at me. Whats the point in /pe'ing stuff when that happens? Are the admins gonna care about my views after a whole load of players go shout at me and make fun of me?

Thankfully the admins are reviewing the whole situation, actually. I hope to get some feedback by the end of the week on this.

However I fear that nothing is gonna happen. They will just ''warn'' the TC with no roll back, like many other times I have /pe'd rule breaking.

Well, I am with Neotetro. If nothing is done about the mass rule breaking that happened I am leaving the server too. I love what they have done to the server, the community got so big! The heroes plug in was amazing! Now? It has been ruined. I just recieved a very bad taste for Herocraft, thanks to indiviual groups that control the social system and how new players treat the server (going around making holes in others lawns or not finishing build projects).

That is all. I hope that sometime soon the bad rubish are cleaned out. Everyday I hear Kainzo keep asking for us to vote for the server, to attract more players. I believe it is quality over quantity. If you make sure that long-time players are playing this server and keep doing so, the quality of the community will increase. The older players will be able to change the way that newer players work, to stop griefing and teach them the ropes. All we are getting so far are new players (probably some that have never even played multiplayer) that just go off, get killed, beg in /ch o and then join some dodgy cult somewhere in the outskirts of the map.

 

[Aerokii]

I'm inclined to agree that yes, it's a problem. I wouldn't label it the fault of one group- I know a few respectable people within the TC that I would hate to lump in as "The problem" here immediately, but then there are the others that fall under my "Insufferable douchebag" alignment. I've even heard lately that the problem of alt accounts is bigger than we thought, based on accusations of one who's been banned for it, and that would certainly put this whole "new people joining the server then wrecking stuff" thing in a new light.

However, on the subject of towns/region theft specifically, here's what Kainzo's had to say on the matter.

We'll be working out a few clarifications for the theft to make it more easily readable and understandable since this is a communication issue.

Also, mayors look forward to cheaper LWC's and more LWC' limits. (we'll be raising them)

DIRT over chest is not an LWC and is VOLATILE / AT RISK.

So, soon there will be a bit more chest security within a town, at the very least- mayors will have real power once again, which should help a little bit. However, those who cover their goods in dirt will not be safe. As always, the only true security is an LWC.

 

[kevinlive]

No it's not.
I hate how some of the new people ruins aspects of HC, making old veterans and the more dedicated players leave is not what we want at all. Altough it's not only people(joining towns to) steal and greif that is the problem, I've seen countless times where people are trolling and "hurting" other people for fun or to feel better, both in o and in local chats.

To the people raiding and stuff, its not like I got anything against raids or raiders, I like it.
But the way some people raid these days is just annoying, they would camp or run around(totaly fine) and troll(not fine) Calling people for penises and pussys etc because they blocked them in or killed someone.

@Kainzo
Btw, one way to fix stealing and greifing is to add more region options. f.eks. Players could only build in their plot(Which is set by the town mayor or SiC)
@Apherdite

 

[MajorasMask]

So, soon there will be a bit more chest security within a town, at the very least- mayors will have real power once again, which should help a little bit. However, those who cover their goods in dirt will not be safe. As always, the only true security is an LWC.

That does not stop the fact that players cheat to access hidden items/non-LWC items. I mean, I had my chest hidden completly out of plain sight. They just got in and stole everything. This is not my fault. Why? It was hidden, no need for LWC.

 

[MajorasMask]

Yeah, I was called names before. Come now, name calling? Seriously childish. They need a slap on the bottom for being bad boys/girls and saying things like that - face it, they are young enough to get that punishment.

 

[Diffuse]

I agree completely. I have not been around for a long period of time at all and even I can see that the community is changing for the worse. Due to a specific group of players o chat is filled with trolling and annoyance, towns are becoming less of a protected area and more of a zone to avoid storing stuff in, and players who have done a lot for the community are dissapearing one by one. I understand that they aren't always breaking rules (although I do believe they break quite a few) but when I have heard the whole "doesn't mesh with the community" being a ban reason I don't believe it. They are nothing but toxic to the server. They provide nothing but the destruction of a community that is the reason that a majority of players are still playing.

 

[Neotetro]

I agree completely. I have not been around for a long period of time at all and even I can see that the community is changing for the worse. Due to a specific group of players o chat is filled with trolling and annoyance, towns are becoming less of a protected area and more of a zone to avoid storing stuff in, and players who have done a lot for the community are dissapearing one by one. I understand that they aren't always breaking rules (although I do believe they break quite a few) but when I have heard the whole "doesn't mesh with the community" being a ban reason I don't believe it. They are nothing but toxic to the server. They provide nothing but the destruction of a community that is the reason that a majority of players are still playing.

I'm beginning to believe the veterans and moral players are not meshing with the new community. We simply don't fit in with this new brand of players who don't respect the rules or care about how their actions affect others.

 

[FuzLogix]

Let's remember the title of the thread here "Stealing while on Region is killing this server"

I think most of the community good or bad agrees that being stabbed in the back in such a way is a dick move..

I'd like to think even the TC would want to be protected from such underhand moves.

It's pretty straightforward either introduce extra regions for towns or make it a clear rule, that joining a town for the purpose of stealing or giefing will result in a perm IP ban.

 

[MajorasMask]

It is actually suprising to see players agreeing with my views and others views that are similar! Looks like we still have some good moral players around!

I was losing hope yesterday evening, I guess that is when THEY come online back from primary school and go troll others.

 

[Aerokii]

I'm beginning to believe the veterans and moral players are not meshing with the new community. We simply don't fit in with this new brand of players who don't respect the rules or care about how their actions affect others.

A sad, but true statement. At the same time, I refuse to let a bunch of immature/vile/annoying assholes ruin this server for me. If we give up, if we quit and let them run rampant without reporting, fighting back, doing everything we can to end this stupid bullshit, then we might as well just hand them the keys to the server. You don't like it? Neither do I. Neither do many people I know. So we fight back. However we can. We stop feeding the trolls. Find more secure places to store our things/make suggestions that would allow for this such as child regions within towns. We report every single broken rule we find. Take screenshots of harassment. PE every grief. And if you suspect hacks or exploits? PE it!

They're trying to take our server and mold it into their own, what they want it to be. I, for one, will take every step I can to make sure this does not happen.

 

[FuzLogix]

A sad, but true statement. At the same time, I refuse to let a bunch of immature/vile/annoying assholes ruin this server for me. If we give up, if we quit and let them run rampant without reporting, fighting back, doing everything we can to end this stupid bullshit, then we might as well just hand them the keys to the server. You don't like it? Neither do I. Neither do many people I know. So we fight back. However we can. We stop feeding the trolls. Find more secure places to store our things/make suggestions that would allow for this such as child regions within towns. We report every single broken rule we find. Take screenshots of harassment. PE every grief. And if you suspect hacks or exploits? PE it!

They're trying to take our server and mold it into their own, what they want it to be. I, for one, will take every step I can to make sure this does not happen.

Well said, exactly my line of thought..

 

[MajorasMask]

A sad, but true statement. At the same time, I refuse to let a bunch of immature/vile/annoying assholes ruin this server for me. If we give up, if we quit and let them run rampant without reporting, fighting back, doing everything we can to end this stupid bullshit, then we might as well just hand them the keys to the server. You don't like it? Neither do I. Neither do many people I know. So we fight back. However we can. We stop feeding the trolls. Find more secure places to store our things/make suggestions that would allow for this such as child regions within towns. We report every single broken rule we find. Take screenshots of harassment. PE every grief. And if you suspect hacks or exploits? PE it!

They're trying to take our server and mold it into their own, what they want it to be. I, for one, will take every step I can to make sure this does not happen.

God bless this man. He speaks the pure views of good, moral and kind players.

 

[malmenca]

I've said it once and I'll continue to say it, as someone mentioned above people used to be afraid of griefing, cheating and exploiting. I've heard and seen people say "Oh I'm not afraid of getting banned" and then people will grief something small and it will just get skipped over. It's that mentality that is hurting the veteran player base and pushing them closer and closer to leaving Herocraft.

I built a shop with my expensive materials, it was griefed, rolledback and that was it. Fair enough, but it would be nice to know that the person responsible was dealt with. In addition I had a castle that was claimed(IMO it was illegaly claimed) So naturally I P.E'd it and the response was something to the effect of "Sucks, thats the product of going inactive." Not quite what I was hoping for, and it also leaves me with a doubt that it was legally taken. Its the shortcomings of staff in my honest opinion and I have no intent of being rude because for the most part they are nice people but it seems to lack in that department.

Even with the anti-xray stuff it seems less is being done in regards to rulebreakers

 

[GreekCrackShot]

Very eye opening thread. I'm going to share my sob story when I have the chance to format it on my computer and think it through better. When i write on my phone, it's hard for me to get my point across. For now I'll say, Like many of you, I've been stabbed in the back by a trusted member of my community. A trusted member of the entire community, the staff is blind to his appearance as his rulebreaking has gone somewhat unpunished.

I suddenly realized why the excuse "it's a game; get over it" can be ignorant and hostile. After my experience, losing mass amounts of items has drained me somewhat, because i spent hours upon hours, days upon days gaining my materials. Why shouldnt i be mad, all that time I've wasted on this game has "gone down the tube" so to speak. After being denied half my items back (after all, it was in the town hall), i felt sorrow, as a sort of depression kicked in. I felt defied by the staff, because they were indifferent to the fact I was on the brink of just giving up. Now that the solace has consumed me, I can gather my thoughts and recover.

Thanks for reading, whether you understand or not.

 

[Tigo123]

See you guys need to realize that a new member of HC stole from TC almost all TC members were wiped of everything. Not once did they go on the forums and cry about it they realized this server is hardcore and they didn't cry like you guys you should have known that something. Would have happened seriously stop the crying and move on. (On my phone if typing is bad)

 

[Aerokii]

See you guys need to realize that a new member of HC stole from TC almost all TC members were wiped of everything. Not once did they go on the forums and cry about it they realized this server is hardcore and they didn't cry like you guys you should have known that something. Would have happened seriously stop the crying and move on. (On my phone if typing is bad)

All in favor of ignoring the typical TC responses that are bound to happen in this thread, please like this post or say Aye.

edit: also, as a side note, this isn't about crying over the stolen items, this is a discussion about an issue we see within the community that is potentially driving people away. Stealing is part of it, but it is also about rules, enforcement, attitudes, and a number of other issues.

 

[malmenca]

We report every single broken rule we find. Take screenshots of harassment. PE every grief. And if you suspect hacks or exploits? PE it

I said this in another thread about being intimidated into not PE'ing stuff and I think that it applies to what your saying. Like i just said I'm still missing blocks from my shop, I could PE, get an attitude from staff who says its not worth it go farm it yourself and then feel stupid/unhelped, but I won't, to save myself and the admins the "trouble".

 

[Aerokii]

I said this in another thread about being intimidated into not PE'ing stuff and I think that it applies to what your saying. Like i just said I'm still missing blocks from my shop, I could PE, get an attitude from staff who says its not worth it go farm it yourself and then feel stupid/unhelped, but I won't, to save myself and the admins the "trouble".

I think in those cases it helps to say to the staff dealing with your issue that you're not asking for compensation, you're asking for consequence. Even if it's just a warning.

 

[MajorasMask]

See you guys need to realize that a new member of HC stole from TC almost all TC members were wiped of everything. Not once did they go on the forums and cry about it they realized this server is hardcore and they didn't cry like you guys you should have known that something. Would have happened seriously stop the crying and move on. (On my phone if typing is bad)

I was told driectly after the TC were stolen from that they would get revenge. Guess what? They did. They uised a spy (spies are illegal) to access the town D101 and steal their stuff, blind. They also managed to take items that were hidden.

The reason they did not complain? They knew they were going to get revenge. They knew a plan, plan B. They knew it all along, they KNEW what they were doing. Rule breaking. Tell me, you stick up for those people?