New Chat Channel

[RedKhan]

I'd like to suggest an "Anything Goes" chat channel. Effectively a secondary Offtopic channel, but where players can discuss subjects that would otherwise be cut short by admins. (Although I should point out that offtopic is usually just people discussing who killed who etc).

This channel would be exempt from some of the established rules of herocraft etiquette (Those listed under "Chat Rules"). Obviously being abusive or harassing other players would still not be tolerated here.

For those reading this that are thinking "Just stick to the rules!" Or "Take it to /tell!", I'm suggesting this channel because I feel like half the conversations I might want to take part in are "Not allowed", all discussions I've seen relating to anything semi-serious have been stopped dead by admins. I've also seen people be killed off just for asking about the specifics of certain rules (The internet e-bonics one in particular). Tell isnt an option for more than 2 people and inviting to already busy town channels is unsuitable too.

I don't have a burning desire to discuss abortion, religion, war or who likes mudkips. But it would be excellent to have a chat channel where more adult themes can be aired. Even better to have a channel where people can talk without fear of being banned just because they greet everyone with "Hello gentlemen".

Thoughts?

 

[Brutalacerate]

Alright; ya know what? LOL. I actually think this is a great idea. Haha.

I'll read over this post and leave this open for discussion. Although, we'll never allow poop. They're censored anyway.

I'll think this one over; good idea though.

A place for someone to call someone else a STUPID CUNT for killing them; a place to let the rage out.

 

[Brutalacerate]

The only issue I see with this is..........people WC (Wrong Channeling) some very hardcore shit into /ch o, etc.

 

[RedKhan]

Haha, true. I think it'd need to part and parcel that if you are in /AG then you need to be that extra bit careful what you write and where.

If there is absolutely no shifting on using internet slang or phrases, then I'd really just like them all censored to avoid banning/electrocution. I understand that some people hate "art thou angry??" etc. But honestly, there are worse things that could be said or done.

EDIT: Haha, the internet e-bonics I wrote was censored. Someone is one step ahead

 

[Doreagarde]

I've seen arguments in Offtopic told to move to /ch slap, and people who ask about rules told to ask in /ch h. We used to have /ch sex for when people got a little kinky in /ch o, but the server was cheapened by its presence. Everything else is pretty much okay in /ch o.

Here are the Chat Rules from the wiki:

The following is not permitted within Herocraft's chat channels:

• Speaking any language other than English while in the main chat channels (Global, Trade, Help, Off-Topic)
• Flooding/Spamming any chat channel will result in either a channel mute, global mute or expulsion from the server depending on the severity at staff discretion.
• Whining or being a tool, will not be tolerated.
• Begging.
• Usage of Internet Ebonics, Retardations or poop (This includes /msg and /tell)
• Encouraging other users to violate our rules.
• Use some common sense, don't try to form our server to another.

There's nothing in there about "no mature discussions"; in fact, if players are acting mature then they won't be asked to leave. Which of those rules would you like "Anything Goes" to be exempt from? No whining? No flooding? No poop? I embrace open, mature discussions in /ch o. Perhaps it would be more appropriate for a second Offtopic Channel (/ch o2 ?), with everything the same as the first, so that multiple discussions can be had concurrently in "Offtopic" chat without interfering with each other.

EDIT: Woah, hardcore ninja'd! I still like the idea of calling it /ch o2 or /ch 2. Maybe we could have several Offtopic channels for several different discussions (as the server cap grows larger).

 

[RedKhan]

Religion and war are two discussions that were stopped in /O before. I know that people tend to have very closed mind sets when it comes to those topics, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about at all.

Sex would be fine (I'm not talking cybersex mind you :/) I don't see why discussing sex cheapens the server.
Whining, being a tool, other languages or even discussing other minecraft mods and servers would fit into /AG. The rest not so much.

And I'd actually argue that the people attempting to stop discussions or blindly censor people because they don't like what they are saying are less mature than those that just want to talk about a taboo subject. Having a safe chat area to discuss or say whatever you like without being told to move channel would be refreshing.

 

[Kainzo]

Not even in my wildest dreams would I allow for such stupidity.

Herocraft is one of the last bastions on the internet to be safe guarded from such garbage.

We will not censor awesome words like, fuck-shit-piss-ass-anal
We will strive to keep the RULES of the server upheld and not allow internet e-bonics from overflowing chats.

Such a channel would only promote stupidity, arguing, conflict and will go against our server rules.

 

[Doreagarde]

Sex would be fine (I'm not talking cybersex mind you :/) I don't see why discussing sex cheapens the server.
Whining, being a tool, other languages or even discussing other minecraft mods and servers would fit into /AG. The rest not so much.

It wasn't sexual discussions that were cheapening the server, it was the kind of discussions that were going on in /ch sex that were cheapening it. They were... as bad as you can imagine. And of course discussing mods and servers would be okay, it's advertising those servers and encouraging people to use those mods that are uncool.

Frankly, I don't have the energy or care enough to censor discussions in Offtopic, and I think most of the staff shares that sentiment. People do complain sometimes, though, and then I usually just give a round of "take it to /tell" or whatever, which is, like you say, not an optimal solution. I like the idea of separate Offtopic channels, so that people can choose to leave a discussion without leaving all of them. The reason I'm hesitant to call it "Anything Goes" is that anything does not actually go - there would of course still be rules, and you and I don't want to give people the impression that there aren't.

I'm surprised this hasn't come up before. How often do you see 3 or 4 discussions going on at the same time in /ch o, all getting mixed in with each other? We should have split the channel long ago!

 

[Doreagarde]

Not even in my wildest dreams would I allow for such stupidity.

Herocraft is one of the last bastions on the internet to be safe guarded from such garbage.

We will not censor awesome words like, fuck-shit-piss-ass-anal
We will strive to keep the RULES of the server upheld and not allow internet e-bonics from overflowing chats.

What about just making more Offtopic channels, so people can have separate discussions that don't overlap?

 

[iHazBryn]

One offtopic is already loud (If you can call chat loud, it is that), With four or five, my head might explode =D

 

[Doreagarde]

The whole idea is that you can leave the channels you don't want to listen to.

 

[Kainzo]

We wont be adding any more default public channels like /o - I see very little purpose seeing that we already have:

• Say
• Shout
• Trade
• Casino
• Offtopic
• Help
• Elite

We won't have channels for discussing other servers - sorry. If you want to discuss other servers, do so on on #SMP or Mcforums, but this community has little to no need to even bring up the topic.

 

[RedKhan]

Not even in my wildest dreams would I allow for such stupidity.

Herocraft is one of the last bastions on the internet to be safe guarded from such garbage.

We will not censor awesome words like, fuck-shit-piss-ass-anal
We will strive to keep the RULES of the server upheld and not allow internet e-bonics from overflowing chats.

Such a channel would only promote stupidity, arguing, conflict and will go against our server rules.

Haha, I don't understand you're hatred for internet e-bonics's Kainzo. I know they are stupid, but so are many of the entertaining things you'd find on the web, some of the spam I've seen has been far more idiotic. I'd guess you are afraid that chat devolves into nothing but, however that would be covered under the other rules about being a tool/spamming. I'd also argue that since the servers whole basis is "Hardcore" that conflict is not only inevitable, but encouraged. C'est la via.

It seems pretty unlikely that you'll change your mind about slang/net-phrases, so instead I'll merely request that if it's not allowed, that it be censored. At least now I know that short of conflicting with the rules, no topic is unsuitable for /O.

And Dor, I agree that "Anything goes" was a poor choice of name

EDIT: Do chat channel's require much in the way of resources/cash? I'd have thought since there is literally a channel for every town they'd be easy to make.

Why can we not discuss mods/servers?

 

[Kainzo]

I wont be moving on this, sorry - its a core server rule that wont be changed

 

[Doreagarde]

Haha, I don't understand you're hatred for internet e-bonics's Kainzo. I know they are stupid, but so are many of the entertaining things you'd find on the web, some of the spam I've seen has been far more idiotic. I'd guess you are afraid that chat devolves into nothing but, however that would be covered under the other rules about being a tool/spamming. I'd also argue that since the servers whole basis is "Hardcore" that conflict is not only inevitable, but encouraged. C'est la via.

It seems pretty unlikely that you'll change your mind about slang/net-phrases, so instead I'll merely request that if it's not allowed, that it be censored.

And Dor, I agree that "Anything goes" was a poor choice of name

Eliminating poop with a broad stroke stops most spamming before it starts. If you want to say something, make it original.

Gentlemanly conflict is encouraged within the bounds of gameplay. It's one thing to have a round of hardcore boxing with your opponent, it's another to bite a chunk of his ear off because you're not happy with how the game went.

Censoring every ugly internet e-bonics as it crops up on the internet is an exercise in futility. It's a lot easier to tell people the chat rules, and mute them if they break them.

In conclusion, if Kainzo doesn't want it, it's not going to happen, and that's just how it's going to be.

 

[RedKhan]

That's fine, that's what I expected. Would you at least answer my questions?
It'd help me understand your reasoning.

 

[Doreagarde]

That's fine, that's what I expected. Would you at least answer my questions?
It'd help me understand your reasoning.

Read my explanations, and see if there's something else you'd like to ask. Moderators are here to assist Kainzo with public outreach.

 

[RedKhan]

Do chat channel's require much in the way of resources/cash? I'd have thought since there is literally a channel for every town they'd be easy to make.

Why can we not discuss mods/servers?

 

[Kainzo]

We're a different class/level than most internet communities, I refuse to indulge stupidity and neglect intellect

I'm bored with this.

1. Other Server Talks - conflict of interest, you play on Herocraft for a reason - discussing other servers can only lead to harshness or advertising - if you arent happy here, go play on another server
2. Internet E-bonics - stupidity that has no point or purpose on the internet, it only exists because there's a continuous river of shit that is recycled by the younger generations. There's a difference between being "witty" and just being a god damn moron who thinks he's being witty.
3. "Anything Goes" - it promotes conflict, hatred, off-limit topics and rule breaking.

I think we are more than fair with the chat channels provided and we are more than lenient on those who use "colorful" language. If you really want an anything goes lifestyle, go into public places in the inner city and start shouting racial slurs. You won't because you have a filter in RL, children tend to lose that filter online when it is masked through anonymity.

 

[Doreagarde]

Do chat channel's require much in the way of resources/cash? I'd have thought since there is literally a channel for every town they'd be easy to make.

Why can we not discuss mods/servers?

Resource demands for channel creation is vanishingly small. Townships purchase their channel along with their ring, but other channels can be made with a single command. We have the power to create as many channels as we like, but we don't, because we seek to keep the server orderly. Therefore, channel creation must be approved by the administrative staff.

We don't discuss other servers and unapproved mods in short because (as Kainzo said) we don't need to. Among other things, the line between discussing another server and advertising it, and the line between discussing an illegal mod and encouraging its use, are both very poorly defined. We also don't want people trash-talking other servers here. There's no need to speak ill of our fellow players in the Minecraft community; it reflects poorly on the speaker, you, me, and everyone else in Herocraft. Do you see how these topics can be rather sticky? There are places to discuss other servers and illegal mods, and they are not to be found on in-game chat, on IRC, or on the forums.