History Thread

[Drastikos]

Cause it's a ( Barnubus's) good idea!

No flame wars!
Respect people's views and opinions!
This is a place to share the perspectives of history, to have open an discourse about them. If someone has a different view/opinion than you - Let Them!
Have fun!
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[joshtsai]

Everyone loved Zeal to much. The end.


Edit: awkward, this isn't a herocraft history thread.

 

[WoleverEntun]

This is an actual history thread, not an HC one :-P

 

[joshtsai]

This is an actual history thread, not an HC one :-P

Yea, to late lol, see my edit.

 

[WoleverEntun]

I think it would have beenfascinating if the idea of an imperial federation created from the british empire, with an imperial parliament in westminster, and regional parliaments in all the colonies and dominions. It would have allowed for greater representation in the colonies as well as allowing London to share the costs of imperial defense with the colonies.

 

[UltimateOptics]

The British Empire should have enslaved the world while we still could!
The end

 

[Fjordsen]

WoleverEntun - Continuing fron last thread. If you read Churchill's diaries from WW2 you'd know. When he heard that 120 000 civilians in Dresden were slaughtered during the british/american bombing, he was happy. When he, Stalin and Roosevelt discussed what to do with Germany after the war, Churchill was the one of them who wanted that every member of the Nazi party and SS to be executed. (If he had it his way, millions would've died). He was nearly as racist as Hitler, he hated Dutch, Muslims, Germans (The race, unlike Hitler who respected the british race and wanted them on his side), black people, people from India and Japanese.

Germany should be glad that Churchill didn't have much power over Roosevelt at the end of the war.

 

[WoleverEntun]

WoleverEntun - Continuing fron last thread. If you read Churchill's diaries from WW2 you'd know. When he heard that 120 000 civilians in Dresden were slaughtered during the british/american bombing, he was happy. When he, Stalin and Roosevelt discussed what to do with Germany after the war, Churchill was the one of them who wanted that every member of the Nazi party and SS to be executed. (If he had it his way, millions would've died). He was nearly as racist as Hitler, he hated Dutch, Muslims, Germans (The race, unlike Hitler who respected the british race and wanted them on his side), black people, people from India and Japanese.

Germany should be glad that Churchill didn't have much power over Roosevelt at the end of the war.

Churchill was not rampantly racist as you suggest, he merely thought (correctly) that abandoning the colonies after the war would be their destruction. Do you forget that King William of orange of England was dutch? And of the wildly succesful Orange Order? Churchill certainly did not hate dutchmen. Chruchill wanted to execute members of the SS because they were nearly all war criminals, Similarily, the Nazi party were almost entirely thugs of the lowest class. it is likely that Churchill believed in disarming germany entirely after the war becuase he feared a repitition of what happened after versailles.

 

[Fjordsen]

Churchill HATED dutch. He was a journalist during the Boer wars in South Africa and after nearly getting killed by dutch settlers, he added them on his list of people he hates. I wasn't thinking of giving up the colonies, he had always hated different races after his experiences in the colonies and WW1.

 

[WoleverEntun]

Churchill HATED dutch. He was a journalist during the Boer wars in South Africa and after nearly getting killed by dutch settlers, he added them on his list of people he hates. I wasn't thinking of giving up the colonies, he had always hated different races after his experiences in the colonies and WW1.

The boers were no longer dutch, just as much as Americans are not British.

 

[Fjordsen]

The boers were no longer dutch, just as much as Americans are not British.

Dutch of race and language.

 

[WoleverEntun]

Churchill HATED dutch. He was a journalist during the Boer wars in South Africa and after nearly getting killed by dutch settlers, he added them on his list of people he hates. I wasn't thinking of giving up the colonies, he had always hated different races after his experiences in the colonies and WW1.

He didn't hate other races, he merely thought that they were inherently inferior... Ill admit its no great side of churchill, but he was a product of his time. Any of his misdeeds were more than made up for by his leading of the forces of good over evil. In the basic scheme of things, USSR=Bad, Germany=Bad, Neutrality=Shameful.

 

[Drastikos]

You both make enrolling arguments and neither side is seeming to budge, which is fine.
Do either of you have an evidence for your claims (links, etc.)?
I'd be interested in seeing them, I'd like to know where each of you get this info from.

As far as I'm aware Churchill wasn't as racist as kenn says, other than with the Nazi's/SS. I know he wanted them all executed for war crimes/crimes against humanity.
He also wanted to disarm Germany cause he was scared of another war like the last two.

Orange Order! That's sounds hilarious!! lol

 

[Fjordsen]

You both make enrolling arguments and neither side is seeming to budge, which is fine.
Do either of you have an evidence for your claims (links, etc.)?
I'd be interested in seeing them, I'd like to know where each of you get this info from.

As far as I'm aware Churchill wasn't as racist as kenn says, other than with the Nazi's/SS. I know he wanted them all executed for war crimes/crimes against humanity.
He also wanted to disarm Germany cause he was scared of another war like the last two.

Orange Order! That's sounds hilarious!! lol

Read it in a scandinavian history magazine called ''Illustret Historie'', they also own the magazine ''Illustrert Vitenskap''. Translates to Illustrated History and Illustrated Science. The sources are reliable and the writers are all historians that are doing research on what they write about. In their last number they had a huge article about Churchill where the readers were taken trough his life politically and military.

A link to a description of the article here: http://historienet.no/personer/politikere/stort-tema-om-winston-churchill-alene-mot-hitler However it's all in Norwegian and to read the real article you have to be subscribed to the magazine itself like I am :/

Also remember that Hitler was inspired by the British Empire's ideology of concentration camps and Aryan race supremecy.

 

[WoleverEntun]

The orange order is a British (mostly ulster) organization named for William of Orange, that celebrates the protestant character of its members. Its main aim is maintaining the union between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. My arguments are based on a variety of sources, including the works of Churchill himself and numerous websites.

 

[Fjordsen]

"History will go easy on me because i'm the one writing it" -Churchill

 

[WoleverEntun]

"History will go easy on me because i'm the one writing it" -Churchill

And also because most people agree with him. Even if you do not agree with his principles, everyone owes him a word of thanks for what he did for England and the world. He may have been something of a thug, but he knew a worse thug when he saw one.

 

[Fjordsen]

He had his own holocaust in india though, 7 million dead compared to 6 million jews.

Anyways, let's discuss actual war instead of fighting over a person.

Battle of France 1940, why did the germans crush Benelux and France in a few weeks when France had Europe's strongest military? Someone come with arguments.