Flint/Steel

[Diffuse]

I have been raiding some towns for a while now and the only huge problem I have run into is this stupid thing. It is essentially lava but with unlimited uses and no cooldown. It allows someone to simply run away spamming it mindlessly essentially making it impossible to reach them without taking massive damage. The fact that there is no fire spread makes it so you don't even have to think at all when placing the fire. It is currently, in my opinion, the best zoning type thing in the game and it makes it supremely unfun for anyone who is really trying to fight.

I think that this should never be usable in pvp and town protection should be limited to lava only. Another big reason that I believe this is that isn't allowing it to be used in pvp essentially giving a pvp advantage to donors?

@Kainzo

 

[Demonxman]

I'm going to guess (after having been off the game for near an hour here and with no knowledge of who you are saying is using this) that you are referring to gaiden and his use of the mighty flint & steel... just because someone is using all advantages given to him does not make this type of 'attack' unfair. You're fighting a crafter spec.....

 

[Diffuse]

When fighting tish (not a crafter) or barnubus (also not a crafter) it gets really annoying. It is by far the most powerful weapon imo (except in the rain) and is only given to donors. It makes pvp dull when the person you are attacking is behind a wall of fire and if you continue through they will make another and another. This is especially bad when fighting a caster or ranger. They can constantly run without fear of being caught and spam abilities. Crafters should be using lava, not near infinite fire to fight if they have to.

 

[Barnubus]

Ah, but what will Tisha defend herself with? She flat out told zDylann that she had never killed another person without using lava or flint/steel.

But I agree, it's very over powered, and very cheap. Isn't there a way to disable it in pvp areas? I'm surprised this hasn't been done before.

 

[Demonxman]

idk, I see this suggestion as you being mad that these two individuals are using everything they can to fight off a 50 samurai.... I myself have never had this problem because usually if they try that they die before they light off one xD

 

[Farroes]

why do girls always hate each other lol

 

[Diffuse]

The fact that I can destroy them in a real fight does not make it right to be able to use something that ruins pvp fights in general. As mindless as minecraft pvp is, flint and steel is probably the dumbest shit in the game as far as pvp goes. The fact that only donors can use it doesn't makes the use of it worse as it is giving donors a significant advantage in pvp.

 

[dragonzero39]

First off, Tishabisha has killed people without lava or fireball, Secondly I thought this tactic was Illegal as well, after tishabisha attacked me, adaringenchilada, and masterlink using flint and steel we took video evidence strait to Lucky and in short said there is no way this is legal within 100 blocks of Orion, he then said it WAS legal to do in the wild, so just today I used it to fend off whiteninja, cody, hav0cc, and that other dude idk name. In short it's a perk for donors for a reason, It motivates non-donors to donate some $$

 

[Barnubus]

I see this as a valid issue, even if you don't. Using flint/steel takes a massive hp chunk, way more then even harmtouch or bleed. You don't even need to be a certain level to use it. And they can use it while running away, forcing you to run clean into it if you want to hit them, unless you have a range skill.

Hands down, this needs to be changed, flint/steel is utterly unfair.

And in response to Dragon, there shouldn't be an incentive to donate, you should donate because you want to help the server, not because you can't pvp and need help against people who actually play the rpg game to enjoy the pvp and leveling up.

 

[dragonzero39]

And in response to Dragon, there shouldn't be an incentive to donate, you should donate because you want to help the server, not because you can't pvp and need help against people who actually play the rpg game to enjoy the pvp and leveling up.

I do agree that your incentive to donate should not be because of PVP benefit, but it is an incentive. I donated so I could have more LWC's and a fancy green name

 

[Demonxman]

people say they donated for the game but that's utter bullshit, you all donate for the perks, don't lie. and if you're stupid enough to just wade through the fire then you deserve to die, it's called moving to the left or right, try it some time.

 

[Barnubus]

Demon, by the time you move to the left or right they are able to outrun you. It's an unfair advantage for those who are lucky enough to have the money to spare for the game.

 

[Diffuse]

As barn said, moving to the left or right puts you farther behind the person when chasing, and against a caster or ranger that just is not acceptable. I believe Kainzo himself said that he did not want to have donors to have any significant advantage just because they can put money into the game and I believe that flint and steel has been overlooked for far too long.

 

[wolfgang784]

People seem to be taking this as Diffuse simply complaining. I have no idea who he is, as I have never met him.

However, the fact that donors essentially have a "fire attack" no matter what class they have is indeed an advantage they should not have. I just skimmed through, but why should we get an advantage in pvp just because we paid money?

It doesn't matter that he was fighting a crafter class. He could have been fighting another samurai, the difference being that this samurai has an extra skill that he doesn't, one that he can spam as soon as they get into close range and can be a direct hit because you can light it directly under the player before they have a change to move.

Now it shouldn't be removed, because it was added originally so that donors could light fire places so admins didn't need to run around doing that anymore, but it should be made illegal again. It originally was, and I have no idea why the admins thought it was a good idea to make it legal for us to get an advantage because we donated.

We can lwc, region a bit, and will have donor bank warps eventually. But none of those allow us to go into a town and use a skill that nobody expected us to have and light everyone on fire as soon as they get close enough when they try to attack. They can plan to fight off that class, but they won't remember to plan for a skill that normal players don't even have.

So it should either be made illegal, or ALL players should have the ability to use flint and steel since fire spread is off anyway. Although even if everyone has it I still think it should be illegal. It's basically giving crafters, rogues, and warriors a mage's fire skill. In fact, maybe flint and steel could be re done so that instead of donors, only mages could use it to add another something to the market for them? They could sell the ability to light fire places for people and the problem would be solved a bit.

It would still be a bit OP with no cool down, but at least it would belong to the proper class as a fire skill.

@anyonewhoisn'tjustragingthathewasattackingcraftersanddeserveditwhenitisactuallyalargerissuethanthat

@admin possibly? Dunno who I would send that to really. They will prolly see this thread at some point anyway.

 

[Spicycheez]

I totally agree! Just today while I was fighting tish, I rooted her and when I finally went up to her to spam bite/normal hit with my axe, she starts to flint and steel the whole place killing me in just a matter of seconds. What I hate most about flint and steel cut down your hp like a bitch and covers half your screen so you can't even see anything. What I believe should happen is cut down the damage flint and steel does by a significant amount so all it does it cover half your screen (I am hoping that this can be done without altering lava, fireball and bolt damage), after all flint and steel is used to make fireplaces etc

 

[Diffuse]

The simplest solution would just be "flint and steel is no longer allowed to be used in pvp situations." This would still allow fireplaces and other decoration type purposes to exist with the item.

 

[Barnubus]

I agree completely with Diffuse, don't allow any class to use it, mage or not.

 

[wolfgang784]

It used to be a big no-no, I'm not sure why is became OK. @Kainzo read my post above please as well as the rest of the thread if you have time? Not sure if any of the staff has seen this yet so I thought I'd @ ya.

 

[Kainzo]

Its a perfect thing to use to deter enemies / raiders - use it at will.
(Griefing isnt permitted to destroy blocks etc)

 

[Demonxman]

and there you have it, the boss spoke.