About bed spawning

[RedEchoRanger]

So... I had a bit of a scuffle online today. I raiding an outpost and killed multiple people, many of whom i killed multiple times. The question is the policy on bed spawns. So i understand that griefing sucks and is not allowed but if your base is being sieged and someone has made it to your bed, we should be allowed to break it. I'm not saying keep it, just place it back once your done with the raid. With bed spawns you should have at least a couple chances to knock out the intruders and if you dont and they make it to your spawn... then they should be able to kill it.

My suggestion is to either revise the rule so that we can pick em up, just like with the 2 block break-in rule, and put them back when the raid is over. Another idea would be to set a 5 minute respawn.

I got raged on by a couple people today and was threatened by mods. Please dont rage I only want to at least give pvp a chance. Why else do we build fortresses if we're not to protect them. I mean just imagine a 10 man army storming a town. The town members have to act quick to fight off the intruders and they have the home advantage of knowing the terrain but they shouldn't have the advantage of infinite spawns to kill the army. DEFEND YOUR TOWNS.

 

[Doreagarde]

Not sure how I feel about a 5-minute respawn. As for breaking the bed, why wait until the raid is over before putting it back? Even if it's night, once you break the bed, the deed is done! They won't respawn there when you kill them again. Put it back like a good Herocrafter, and continue the raid. If you put blocks back when you break them, I have no issue with your actions.

This is a new issue that we haven't dealt with yet, as we don't yet have cities on the new map with all the protections they provide. You and I are breaking ground in new rules that will define this map, and your patience as we define these new rules is greatly appreciated.

 

[Dielan9999]

I suggest players should be invincible for 10 seconds (or until they attack) when they spawn; which gives them time to break the bed and /kill

Problem solved.

 

[GreekCrackShot]

Well Dorea, i think there is some listed rule that states destroying beds is illegal, even if you replace them. But several times i have encountered problems where that person kept spawning and repeatedly trying to kill me. I understand in some cases that is griefing, but in that particular case, shouldn't I be allowed to destroy the bed? It's basically like giving a player invincibility in my opinion.

Death is death, this isn't Black Ops. Shouldn't be so easy to get home like it is imo either. recall is fine though

 

[wolfgang784]

Breaking beds in bases/houses should be perfectly fine. It's not easy to loot/raid when they are re-spawning 5 blocks away from you. Breaking the bed so they spawn in Zeal and replacing it right away so it's not stolen should be legal and not count as breaking anything at all.

 

[Dielan9999]

My suggestion still stands, it involves the victim alone and prevents confusion.

 

[Airbus101]

I was also told today I was not allowed to break a bed and put it back....
but then heard others doing it... this is a very gray area.

Beds are too powerful, if you cant protect your bed or hide it well enought you should be doomed to spawn AT spawn tower.

I personally see a bed as an item and not a building I think it should be griefable, so if its not well I'm making my house out of beds. the ultimate you cant break this house rule ....

in all seriousness beds should be able to be broken (hide them better) and you you must enforce it replace them.
but in the end its like Redecho said its like fighting an invincible player they keep punching you till your dead too...

 

[GreekCrackShot]

They only reason why I think that's a rule is because AfroDave yelled at me because I was saying it should be legal to destroy and replace it. despite the 2 block rule. No offense to Afro or anything. and tbh from my judgement point, if i was in a situation where someone placed their bed outside my base, or it was in the way of looting because of continuous respawns, I would not hesitate to destroy it.

 

[GreekCrackShot]

I was also told today I was not allowed to break a bed and put it back....
but then heard others doing it... this is a very gray area.

Beds are too powerful, if you cant protect your bed or hide it well enought you should be doomed to spawn AT spawn tower.

I personally see a bed as an item and not a building I think it should be griefable, so if its not well I'm making my house out of beds. the ultimate you cant break this house rule ....

in all seriousness beds should be able to be broken (hide them better) and you you must enforce it replace them.
but in the end its like Redecho said its like fighting an invincible player they keep punching you till your dead too...

Yeah this is what we were discussing, and a lot of us seemed to agree on this

 

[Doreagarde]

Well Dorea, i think there is some listed rule that states destroying beds is illegal, even if you replace them. But several times i have encountered problems where that person kept spawning and repeatedly trying to kill me. I understand in some cases that is griefing, but in that particular case, shouldn't I be allowed to destroy the bed? It's basically like giving a player invincibility in my opinion.

Death is death, this isn't Black Ops. Shouldn't be so easy to get home like it is imo either. recall is fine though

I'm not familiar with that rule, Greek, I'd be glad if you could show it to me.

 

[GreekCrackShot]

I'm not familiar with that rule, Greek, I'd be glad if you could show it to me.

Exactly, i have never heard that rule. EVER. it just doesnt make sense.

 

[Dielan9999]

This gray area needs the opinion of a higher authority.

 

[Doreagarde]

This gray area needs the opinion of a higher authority.

You wound me, Dielan. But the concerns of the players are the concerns of the staff, and we are in discussion about this and many other issues that have arisen with the new map and plugin.

 

[Kainzo]

I suggest players should be invincible for 10 seconds (or until they attack) when they spawn; which gives them time to break the bed and /kill

Problem solved.

Wheres the code in that?

Also - breaking and replacing should be fine for now - but the ruling will be changing.

 

[Dielan9999]

Wheres the code in that?

Also - breaking and replacing should be fine for now - but the ruling will be changing.

Well, I was suggesting a code for that be made. If you can code an RPG you can code 10 second spawn invincibility right?

 

[wolfgang784]

Yay, a verdict. Until we see otherwise, breaking and replacing beds is fine by Kainzo's ruling.

 

[AfroDave]

They only reason why I think that's a rule is because AfroDave yelled at me because I was saying it should be legal to destroy and replace it. despite the 2 block rule. No offense to Afro or anything. and tbh from my judgement point, if i was in a situation where someone placed their bed outside my base, or it was in the way of looting because of continuous respawns, I would not hesitate to destroy it.

No offense taken. But I wasn't shouting all I was doing was relaying what I heard other staff say earlier. And I was merely getting slightly irritated at you guys having a go at me about the rule when I don't even make them. Heck It's just now I found out this was not a rule, I though it was my mistake.

 

[GreekCrackShot]

Yeah no worries, sometimes from my point of view, rules should be different, doesnt mean thw staff will change their minds. For ex: since there isnt lwc i thought it would be smart to have stealing be illegal becuase even donors couldnt't use it. But ive moved on

 

[Kainzo]

There is LWC - step up

 

[GreekCrackShot]

There is LWC - step up

Yeah i meant yesterday